sigh and cry

“We are not addressing here such peripheral discrepancies in the inspired writings as how many of Jacob’s family came to Egypt (see Gen. 46:27; Acts 7:14) or exactly which bell tolled to signal the start of the St. Bartholomew Massacre (see Arthur L. White, Ellen G. White: The Later Elmshaven Years, 1905-1915, pp. 330-331).”

I’ve had someone else who is generally seen as a strong “conservative” pastor tell me gravely that since Genesis says 70 people went to Egypt, and 75 are mentioned in Acts, that there is an obvious error in one of the places. That floored me, as I’m not used to conservative pastors asserting that there are errors in God’s word, so told him that the Bible was not only written for us in the 21st century, but for those of all ages. There are several possibilities to explain this seeming discrepancy, such as how they counted “going down to Egypt” had changed, or how they counted slaves in the family had changed, or maybe how they counted those still in the wombs of their mothers when traveling down to Egypt etc.

Anytime anyone gets up and asserts that there are errors in the Bible, they are doing the work of Satan. In this instance, if they believe that one of these places is in error, how can they say with certainty that BOTH places are not in error? Maybe the verses before and after it are in error? Maybe the whole Bible is in error? Once you roll the ball into Satan’s camp, how do you get it out again?

Kevin Paulson also quoted Selected Messages vol.1, p. 19-21, which is again, the exact same place the other conservative pastor quoted me around 10 years ago. In it, it says:

“It is not the words of the Bible that are inspired, but the men that were inspired.”

This, however, is contrary to all the Bible and most other writings with Ellen White’s name on the cover. I believe that coming from “Selected Messages”, the title alone should be enough to warn people that the contents may be massaged. She has told us to only take her published writings as her settled position, which is also another reason to not take what is in Selected Messages as her settled position (since it is not her published writings).

In contrast, Testimonies to the Church vol. 5 says:

“But it is Satan’s work to pervert the investigative powers of the mind. A certain pride is mingled with the consideration of Bible truth, so that men feel defeated and impatient if they cannot explain every portion of Scripture to their satisfaction. It is too humiliating to them to acknowledge that they do not understand the inspired words. They are unwilling to wait patiently until God shall see fit to reveal the truth to them. They feel that their unaided human wisdom is sufficient to enable them to comprehend the Scripture; and failing to do this, they virtually deny its authority. It is true that many theories and doctrines popularly supposed to be the teaching of the Bible have no foundation in Scripture and, indeed, are contrary to the whole tenor of inspiration. These things have been a cause of doubt and perplexity to many minds. They are not, however, chargeable to God’s word, but to man’s perversion of it. But the difficulties in the Bible do not reflect upon the wisdom of God; they will not cause the ruin of any who would not have been destroyed if no such difficulties had existed. Had there been no mysteries in the Bible for them to question, the same minds would, through their own lack of spiritual discernment, have found cause of stumbling in the plainest utterances of God.”

Likewise a SDA pastor came rolling by in his Accord. As the light turned red, he stopped in front of the woman. When he saw her, he considered how the placard holders were trying to take away her civil right to do something that the country had declared lawful. He lowered his window to tell the protesters that they were doing a bad thing by trying to force their religious views onto others. Satisfied that he had done his duty to God, he raised the window and drove off as the light had changed.

But a certain Catholic, one of the protesters, came to where the woman was, and when he saw her, he had compassion on her. He went to her and gave her a pamphlet showing how the baby is forming in her womb, and how there are many alternatives to having it aborted. She, teary-eyed, asked him if she could go to the care center mentioned in the pamphlet. So he gently put her in his Aspire, took her to the care center, and gave a hundred dollars to the lady in charge, telling her that whatever was needed for the woman to have her baby delivered safely, and then help for raising or adopting, he would take care of it when he came back.

I recommend changes to the proposed changes in

#1 The Holy Scriptures
#2 The Trinity
#4 The Son
#18 The Gift of Prophecy
#23 Marriage and the Family

While not a fan of gender-inclusive language, there are several places where it makes sense. Some of the places do not, like especially in number 4.

Anyway, i made a complete video, and then a highlight video about these changes. If you like them, please give them a thumbs-up and leave a comment. Even if you dont like them, or if you have other ideas on what to do, please leave a comment on the videos.

May we lift up the Remnant church, and call for repentance when due.

long version 28fundamentals

short version

It really makes me upset that anyone receiving the benefits of living in America would be so audacious as to equate a horrific, be-heading organization such as ISIS or IS or ISIL, whatever they are called today, with America, who has done more to maintain global peace and stability than any other country in the world for the last 70 years.

Br. Burton is the director of the Adventist-Muslim Relations Center at Oakwood University. He has a degree in Philosophy of Religion from Northwestern University. Why haven’t we SDAs learned yet that getting our “higher” training at a secular school is a sure recipe for falling away from Jesus? But then, we go and hire them to teach at our own universities because we need accreditation! It is sad to see how far away we have gone from God’s blueprint for our educational system.

I’ve had contact with AMR people over the years, and nearly all of them are basically into “Chrislam”, which states that the god of the Muslims and the God of the Christians is the same. That is blasphemy.

So yesterday I made this video to call on several AMR officers (and one layman) to repent:

Youtube video regarding Keith Augustus Burton and Adventist-Muslim Relations:

Australian judge says incest may no longer be a taboo.

Judge in Australia says incest may no longer be a taboo and the only reason it is criminal is potential birth abnormalities, which can be solved by abortion.

Entire Telegraph article here.

Judge Garry Neilson, from the district court in the state of New South Wales, likened incest to homosexuality, which was once regarded as criminal and “unnatural” but is now widely accepted.

What is interesting to me, is that stuff like this is exactly what was predicted by those pointing out the abomination of homosexuality. While they were/are roundly pooh-poohed as being sensationalistic, they are being proven correct.

One big argument that homosexuals use to support their abomination, is: “How can you deny love between two consenting adults?” That kind of logic opens the gates to incest, polygamy, and other abominations.

Of course God, who has told us what is good and what is bad, knew this, so warned us with his holy words to not do those abominations.

May society at large, our Seventh-day Adventist church, and each of us individually repent, and resolve to follow all the words of God.

What is worse, is that many of their articles are even written by pastors and leaders and scholars in the SDA church itself!!

http://youtu.be/PnGSkR_Bl-g

The North American Religious Liberty Association (NARLA) is the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s member-driven organization dedicated to promoting liberty of conscience and freedom of religion, and combating religious intolerance at the local, state, and national levels.
(From the official website)
———–
When I was little, I spent the beginning of
many Sabbaths reading Liberty Magazine.

(and Church & State, National Geographic,
Southern Tidings, Reader’s Digest etc.)
——————
It was good to see them on the front lines,
standing tall for religious liberty everywhere
it was threatened, in America and abroad.
————–
But it seems now the new leaders
don’t have the same desire to see
religious liberty for all, and instead
are more interested in following
the standard, liberal philosophy of:
“I’m OK, you’re OK”.
———–
In January, 2014, Pew Research reported
“…the United States moved from the low
category of government restrictions as of
mid-2009 to the moderate category in
2010, where it remained in 2012.”
———–
You would expect NARLA to be concerned
about religious liberty degradation not
only abroad, but in the United States too.

They are not, tho, as this video shows.
————
Isn’t it natural to expect her to
express her concern about the
degradation of religious liberty
in America here?
————-
“The U.S. saw a marked increase in
hostility toward religion starting in
2009”. Yes, that sounds like
“bad news for religious folks”
to me. Not to you?
————
This is not a comparison with the
rest of the world. This is about
religious freedom. If NARLA is
just about comparing “relative
freedoms”, then they have no
meaning as an organization
anymore.
————
Yes, people live in “local”
places, so it is natural that
religious freedom needs are
felt at the local level.
————
To be blunt about it, for the sake
of getting tax breaks from the govt.
the SDA church has made some
compromises with the gospel of
Jesus Christ. Instead of doing
everything to the glory of God,
we are more concerned about
keeping our tax breaks (mammon).
————–
No.
America has always been a “pluralistic
society”. NARLA Director, Melissa Reid,
have you considered what happened in
2009 to cause this “religious hostility”?
America voted in a new President who
is hostile to the Christian religion.
—————
There you have it –
A “marked increase in hostility
toward religion” is spun by NARLA
to mean “Good, this might mean
more freedom for all”.

So it was with shock that i read their September newsletter listing the speakers and talk titles for the upcoming October Tabernacles’ meetings – Stephen Dickie “Truth from the Qur’an”.

This is awful. This is like Moses inviting Korah to give a talk to the Israelites about the “Truth in the book of Baal worship”. With trepidation, i emailed Sandy Clark, the grand daughter of Pr. VanDenburgh, with the facts i know, hoping she would reconsider. Here is our entire email exchange:
———
Hello Sandy-san,
Just had to tell you all that i was really enjoying the September newsletter for Bible Explorations, when i noticed near the bottom that you all have invited Stephen Dickie to speak at Tabernacles!!!! His talk title? – “Truth in the Qur’an”.

Why was he invited?

I’ve spent a lot of time and energy refuting this man’s views that the Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
You can read what i’ve written about his writings and talks here:

stephen dickie “islam, god’s forgotten blessing” video review

“reaching islam made simple” review

new video on seventh-day adventists and islam

And here is a detailed study i did of the Qur’an, showing where it deviates from the Bible:
http://www.timeoftrouble.com/quran/quotes-from-quran.html

The God of the Bible is emphatic that he HAS a son.
The god of the Qur’an is emphatic that he has NO son.

Please reconsider having this agent of Satan speak at your Tabernacles meetings.
Keep looking to the Son of God,
———
Her reply:
He does NOT believe that way, he gets to the Muslims by way of ONE GOD and His Son. 🙂 Not sure what your arguments are but Steve does believe in the one God we do, and His son.
———
My reply:
I have been warning people about the false gospel of Stephen Dickie for about 5 years now.
I even made a video about how some fellow SDAs are promoting the false god of the Qur’an.
Please take a look:

The part showing that yes, Stephen Dickie does indeed say that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, is between 8:10 – 10:50 .

Please call on him to repent and worship the true God, and may you retract your speaking offer.
God bless as you pray about how to move forward, always keeping your eyes on Jesus,
———
Her reply:
They do worship the same one…some may not realize it but they have ONE God and it is God. They are like the Jews, believe in God but not His Son. I see no problem. Maybe you need to study more, too. 🙂 He is fine and helping them find Jesus which is a WONDERFUL thing!
———
My reply:
God is not mocked. Just because the Qur’an professes to believe the God of Abraham does not make it so. The Qur’an is emphatic that God has no son, but the Bible is emphatic that God has a son. This is clear enough that anyone willing to, can see that the Qur’an is not from God, and consequently, the god of the Qur’an is not the same as the God of the Abraham, because Abraham worshiped the true God, the one who has a son.

I do agree that we should show love to the Muslims. Many of them are much more sincere and searching for truth than we Seventh-day Adventist Christians are. Would Jesus shun them? Of course not, he would try his best to reach them where they were, and, here is the important difference between what we should really be doing as Christians, and what the Adventist-Muslim people are doing – is that we should be lifting up Jesus as the Son of God, the Saviour of the world.

The Qur’an, in referring to Isa, (which is claimed to be Jesus, but is not the true Jesus), says regarding Isa: Sura 43:59 He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel.

But the Bible says: John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

Pretty clear here about how much the Qur’an really values the Son of God – nothing but a slave. In contrast, Jesus calls himself the way, the truth, and the life. Notice that there is no other way to God – either you go thru Jesus, or you just don’t get to God at all. This basic pillar of Christianity has been overlooked for far too long in the name of “all you need is love”.

This should be very easy to understand, as the Qur’an emphatically says that god has no son, while the Bible emphatically says that he DOES have a son.

Many of us Seventh-day Adventists seem to have forgotten who Jesus is, and are telling people that the god of the Qur’an is the same as the God of the Bible.

Sura 18:4 And to warn those who say: Allah has chosen a son, 5 (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that comes out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
1John 2:23 Anyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either.

It is amazing to me that any Seventh-day Adventist could forget that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the only way to the one true God.

Please repent, Sandy, and believe in Jesus Christ,
————
Her reply:
Please stop insulting me. I do believe in Him. I do NOT believe in the trinity. I believe in the Father and His Son. Period. So what’s the big deal? Please stop, you are being rude and arrogant, Daniel. Some Muslims have a bad way of life, but many are like the Jews, believe in the One God of the Bible (The Bible says there is ONE GOD) and they just do not believe He had a son. I do and will teach them.
————

So this looks to be the end of our conversation. I will do my best to warn others, so that no one else will fall for the error of believing you can worship the Father without believing in his Son.

I’ve verified that at least 2 of those voting in FAVOR were SDAs.
SDAs vote for same-sex benefits

One of those SDAs voting in favor of the measure used this logic to support his case:

“What the Lord wants you to be is just, merciful, and humble. That’s my goal,” he said. “Why penalize someone when they’re born a certain way? … These people suffer enough, just give them a break.”

This is the fruit of preaching love, love, love, until love has no more meaning, so people can feel comfortable in a life of sin in direct opposition to God.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

1Corin 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

What does the pastor of the Collegedale Seventh-day Adventist church have to say about this abomination?

Wolf Jedamski, church administrator and pastor of global mission at Collegedale Church of Seventh-day Adventists, said that only about three congregants of the 3,000-member-plus congregation have called him worried about the issue.

“Some members see this as a homosexual issue or a marriage issue. The church sees this as a city issue, and we are not going to get involved in it,” Jedamski said. “It’s not really true anymore that the city of Collegedale is a city of Seventh-day Adventists. It’s grown much more diverse, and that’s a good thing.”

While it is customary to see officials in the Seventh-day Adventist church promote a watering down of the Three Angels Messages, it is still troubling to see it done with such disregard for historical facts.

For example, Ellen White did work with the Temperance movement. However, representatives from that movement did not come into our SDA churches and hold worship meetings with us. This is in stark contrast to what is happening now. In “Adventists and Lutherans in Conversation” which reports on the dialogues held between SDAs and LWFs in the 1994-1998 time frame, it says: “By spending many hours together in listening and seeking to understand, in agreeing and disagreeing, in eating and especially praying, we experienced the bonding of the Spirit under our one Lord Jesus Christ.” Also, “for the past 43 years the key person in the CWC has been a Seventh-day Adventist.” The Council for a Parliament of the World’s Religions reports several instances of SDAs worshipping with and even sponsoring their programs.

Author William Johnsson makes a statement that is one of the current “mantras” among modern-day leaders and members of the SDA church in rich countries: “On the other hand, we Adventists do not seek to be an exclusive church that shuns relations with other Christian bodies.”

We despise the word “exclusive”, and are constantly promoting the word “inclusive”. No more of that original hymnal put out by James White titled “Hymns for God’s peculiar people,: That keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus”. Now we want to be just like the other churches, no, just like the world as much as possible, so that no one can tell us apart, so we don’t suffer any embarrassment or feeling of “being different”.

I wonder if we will feel embarrassment when Jesus looks deep into our hearts and announces our eternal destiny?

To join with those not of our faith to promote the good of society is one thing, but to extrapolate that to mean that it is then OK to worship with them is entirely different.
2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

More links showing this feeling that we are all one, and showing instances where we have groveled to get other denominations/relgions to accept us:
“parliament of religions”
“SDA & Rome”
“Bert Beach”
“SDA & papacy”
“more Bert Beach and papacy”
“steps to rome”
“so much in common between WCC & SDA”

Please notice that many of the above links are to sites that i do not recommend! Sadly, many people who sigh and cry over the abominations being done in Jerusalem, refuse to follow the message of Ezekiel 9 to stay in Jerusalem.

Here are the news stories:
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/West-Tennessee-Pastor-Arrested-in-California-162632876.html
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Second-Guys-Church-Member-Arrested–164677566.html

For those who don’t know what’s going on, the Seventh-day Adventist General Conference incorporated, and trademarked it’s name, in 1981, and has now been suing those who use the name “Seventh-day Adventist” (or even the word “Adventist”) without the approval of the General Conference. They claim they are suing people in order to protect the “good name” of the church.

The General Conference is using the civil government to accomplish it’s ends. This has led to persecution, confiscation of property, fines, and imprisonment, for those who felt they could not conscientiously give up the name “Seventh-day Adventist” because they believe from the Spirit of Prophecy it was a divinely ordained name (see 1T, 223).

The SDA church that claims to be fighting for freedom of religion is now using the power of the State to persecute those who desire to worship God according to their religious convictions.

The General Conference is doing the very thing that the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy told them not to do.

Bible:
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? (1Cor 6:1)
…

sda church puts people in jailRead More »

This video is to call on my fellow Seventh-day Adventists to follow the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy regarding the roles of men and women.

The immediate issue at hand is whether or not women should be ordained as pastors in the SDA church. As the details can be readily found on the web, i’ll just say that those supporting this, like most others that directly go against God’s word, are from the “rich” countries.

Now our General Conference leaders know what the Bible says about this, but to be politically correct they have avoided taking a stand on this issue so long that it has festered into an open sore where one Union, and probably more soon, are openly rebelling against their authority.

But what does God’s word say about this? Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire [shall be] for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”

So one of the first things God establishes after sin enters the world is the relationship between men and women. 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed [is] the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat [of] it all the days of your life.

But those who reject God’s words want men and women to be equal. Well, if they can roll back God’s words about men having rule over women, then may they also try their best to remove the curse from the ground so we don’t have to sweat for our food anymore, and not return to dust either.
…

seventh-day adventists and women’s ordination videoRead More »