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Seventh-day Adventists should vote

My mother used to tell me that voting was wrong, as we partake of the sins of those whom we vote for. I tended to believe her, until I studied it out for myself. It is clear from Ellen White’s writings that we are to vote. Specifically, we are to vote to uplift the morals of society, and not to vote for party politics.

Here is a short quote from Ellen White’s diary of 1859 regarding the question of voting:

[Battle Creek,] Sunday, March 6, 1859
Had an interview with Martha Byington. Cut out a dress. We were perplexed; took it all to pieces and made it over. Spent the afternoon with [Mary] Loughborough; attended meeting in the eve. Had quite a free, interesting meeting. After it was time to close, the subject of voting was considered and dwelt upon. James first talked, then Brother Andrews talked and it was thought by them best to give their influence in favor of right and against wrong. They think it right to vote in favor of temperance men being in office in our city, instead of—by their silence—running the risk of having men of non-temperance put in office. Brother Hewitt told his experience of a few days, and is settled that it is right to cast his vote. Brother Hart talked well.

Brother Lyon opposed. No other objected to voting, but Brother Kellogg begins to feel that it is right. Pleasant feelings exist among all the brethren. Oh, that they may all act in the fear of God. Men of intemperance have been in the office today, in a flattering manner expressing their approbation of the course of Sabbathkeepers in not voting, and expressing hope that they will stick to their course and, like the Quakers, not cast their vote. Satan and his evil angels are busy at this time and he has a work upon the earth. May Satan be disappointed, is my prayer.

[Battle Creek,] Monday, March 7, 1859
It is rainy today. It looks very gloomy without, but if the Sun of righteousness shines in my heart all is well and no outward appearance and gloom can make me sad. Today the votes are cast for town officers.

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Let’s disappoint Satan, and use our influence in favor of right like liberty and freedom, and against wrongs like abortion and same-sex marriage.

Ellen White previously unreleased manuscripts 1845-1856

The Ellen G. White Estate is entrusted with handling the written works of Ellen White, who I, and most Seventh-day Adventists, believe was a prophetess of the Lord. As she was one of the 3 co-founders of the SDA church, her writings reveal a lot of history and give insights to how the early church developed.

Quite a large portion of her writings were not published in her day. Even after her death in 1915, many years passed with only a few compilations being produced, but not anywhere near the entire works. Some reasons I’ve heard for the reluctance of the Estate to release all her works is that some of the material is of a very personal nature – pointing out direct sins in a certain individual, and that some of it was more specific for her day. So a lot of the published material up to this point will, for example, talk about a “Mr. M” or “Br. R” when really she is talking about Mr. Canright, or Dr. Kellogg etc. This desire to protect the identities of people involved has unfortunately given rise to conspiracy theories, and has caused some to attack the motives of Ellen White herself. I’ve personally found several areas where what she wrote rebuking leaders such as Uriah Smith in parts of the 30+ Testimonies for the Church Series were removed when edited down into the familiar 9-volume “Testimonies to the Church” set we usually see today.

Some layman groups started to take matters into their own hands, and in the late 1960s Leaves of Autumn started printing many of the collections of manuscripts such as “Series A” and “Series B” and I think some others like the “Paulson Collection” and “Kress Collection” and Southerland & Magan Collection” etc. Then in the 1980s, the call for her works to be put in digital format became strong, and I remember personally purchasing her works on laser disc in 1988. Not too long after the well-known CD of her writings came out.

Many purchasers of the CD were under the impression that all her writings were on it, but deep students were surprised to see that was not so. Somewhere around 2008 or so, some people going by the moniker “SDAnonymous” threatened to sue the E.G. White Estate unless they came forth with all the material. While I do not agree with threatening a lawsuit, the upshot of the action was that the Estate did agree to come out with all the material.

In 2015, just before the GC Session in San Antonio, the Estate said they released all the remaining material. They provided a link to it on the internet, but the link just took me to the page where you can do a search on all her material – i.e.; It is impossible to get a handle on what was newly released, as it was all mixed up with everything else.

But the SDAnonymous group sent me the new releases separately by email, and yesterday I read thru the 125 pages of the first batch (1845-1856). Below are quotes that interested me. Most of these have never been published before, but a few have, as these newly-released materials are sometimes just portions of manuscripts that were edited before being released in the past. Some of the following were accounts written by others taking dictation of what she had said in vision.
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I saw that the nations had not power to hold themselves. I also saw that we were not to cry to God to hold the four winds, nor to the nations, but one angel was to cry to other angels equal in power, to hold until the servants of God were sealed in their foreheads.
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we are under obligation to keep all the statutes, including the feast days

Recently there was an article on Advindicate about whether we should keep the feasts of the Lord or not. The author was quite against the feasts, and recommended me to check what James White wrote in the first volume of the Present Truth magazine in 1849. Here is my response:
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Yes, the Present Truth was a wonderful impetus to the 7th day Sabbath message – Praise God!
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We need to remember that just a couple of years earlier, James and even Ellen White were against the 7th day Sabbath. Joseph Bates was the main promoter among the Advent people.
Here are two quotes from volume 1 of that magazine, written by James White.”The law of Moses, was a law of shadows, which were abolished when the new, second, and better covenant came.”

“while the Gentile Christians were free from these customs, as they had not been educated in them.”
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But we see from inspired writings that he was mistaken.
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In consequence of continual transgression, the moral law was repeated in awful grandeur from Sinai. Christ gave to Moses religious precepts which were to govern the everyday life. These statutes were explicitly given to guard the ten commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass away with the death of Christ. They were to be binding upon man in every age as long as time should last. These commands were enforced by the power of the moral law, and they clearly and definitely explained that law. {RH, May 6, 1875}
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The Lord Jesus gave these commandments from the pillar of cloud, and Moses repeated them to the children of Israel and wrote them in a book, that they might not depart from righteousness. We are under obligation to fulfill these specifications; for in so doing we fulfill the specifications of the law of God. {RH, December 18, 1894}
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The light given me is that we are to study more than we do the instruction given to Moses by God after He had proclaimed the law from Sinai. The ten commandments were spoken by God Himself, and were then written on tables of stone, to be preserved till the judgment should take place. After the giving of the law, God gave Moses specifications regarding the law. These specifications are plain and explicit. No one need make a mistake.

In the day of judgment we shall be asked whether we have lived in harmony with these specifications. It is because we do not carry out these specifications in all our dealings, in our institutions, our families, and in our individual lives, at all times, and in all places, that we do not make greater advancement. It is by the directions that God has given that we shall be judged at the last day. {AUCR, March 25, 1907
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So let’s keep all of God’s commandments, statutes, and judgments, as we are going to be judged by them, and so we can make greater spiritual advancement. 🙂
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Many of us Seventh-day Adventists basically sing this tune:
Be like Jesus, this my song,
In the home and in the throng;
Be like Jesus, all day long! (unless it’s a feast day)
I would be (somewhat) like Jesus.

unconditional love spawns hate

The following is basically a repost of what i wrote on Advindicate on an article called “Too Much Jesus?”

I appreciate the generally civil tone while discussing the problems with unconditional love. One of the main problems in 1888 was that the leading brethren would not treat the young ministers (or Ellen White) with brotherly love. (^-^)

The point about unconditional love is the main point. It is not an idle statement I made when I said that this doctrine is the worst to enter the SDA church in my lifetime. It is the “root” if you will of the “branches” of other unscriptural doctrines such as unconditional pardon and salvation, which of course lead to unscriptural “fruit” such as “No matter what you do, you are OK with God”. Dig out the unscriptural roots, and the branches and fruit will automatically be disposed of.

Your definition of “unconditional” (absolute), is right as far as it goes, but it left out the main meaning – that of being “without conditions”. This is the meaning that is unscriptural.

In some ways, this discussion about unconditional love is similar to that about Justification/Sanctification. Justification is an act where any sinner who truly comes to God will be washed free from all sin, and seen by God as completely clean, all because of the infinite value of the blood of Christ. There is nothing the sinner can do to add to that value, just as there is nothing the sinner can do in order to “get” Christ’s love. It is a free gift, totally unmerited.

Most SDAs I know will agree completely with this explanation of Justification. However, when it comes to Sanctification, there are huge divides. There is a large group who are usually labelled “liberals/progressives” who say there is never anything for the sinner to do. It is all of Christ from start to finish, and nothing we do has any bearing on our salvation. Many of them do not say it quite so clearly, but that mindset is clear in their rejection of following inspired counsel on how to live our lives today. They have no absolute foundation to stand on, and some of their leaders understand that, but most of the followers agree with it because it does not involve a cross.

Proposed changes to 28 fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists

I was recently given info about the proposed changes to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of SDAs. These were voted to be brought before the delegates at the San Antonio GC Session next year (2015). That propelled me to make a video where i show my recommendations on how to fix the proposed changes. What makes me wonder/upset, is that Br. Ted Wilson said that “We are simply adjusting wording to make it clearer and more helpful”, but especially in #18 about the Gift of Prophecy, it is very clearly bringing Ellen White’s authority as the Lord’s Messenger down a couple of notches.

I recommend changes to the proposed changes in

#1 The Holy Scriptures
#2 The Trinity
#4 The Son
#18 The Gift of Prophecy
#23 Marriage and the Family

While not a fan of gender-inclusive language, there are several places where it makes sense. Some of the places do not, like especially in number 4.

Anyway, i made a complete video, and then a highlight video about these changes. If you like them, please give them a thumbs-up and leave a comment. Even if you dont like them, or if you have other ideas on what to do, please leave a comment on the videos.

May we lift up the Remnant church, and call for repentance when due.

long version 28fundamentals

short version

Adventist-Muslim Relations still promoting Chrislam

In the Sep. 4, 2014 issue of Spectrum Magazine, there is an article by Keith Augustus Burton titled: “The IS and the US”. Since the Islamic State is a hot topic right now, I was very interested, so read it. While there were some good points made regarding the history behind the conflict, it was usual Marxist rhetoric about how the United States is such a terrible country. Yes, he actually put the Islamic State and the United States on the same plane!! Not only is this a reprehensible comparison, it goes against inspired writings that we should do nothing to make it appear that we are against our government.

It really makes me upset that anyone receiving the benefits of living in America would be so audacious as to equate a horrific, be-heading organization such as ISIS or IS or ISIL, whatever they are called today, with America, who has done more to maintain global peace and stability than any other country in the world for the last 70 years.

Br. Burton is the director of the Adventist-Muslim Relations Center at Oakwood University. He has a degree in Philosophy of Religion from Northwestern University. Why haven’t we SDAs learned yet that getting our “higher” training at a secular school is a sure recipe for falling away from Jesus? But then, we go and hire them to teach at our own universities because we need accreditation! It is sad to see how far away we have gone from God’s blueprint for our educational system.

I’ve had contact with AMR people over the years, and nearly all of them are basically into “Chrislam”, which states that the god of the Muslims and the God of the Christians is the same. That is blasphemy.

So yesterday I made this video to call on several AMR officers (and one layman) to repent:

Youtube video regarding Keith Augustus Burton and Adventist-Muslim Relations:

We should pray for our Seventh-day Adventist leaders to lift up Jesus Christ – the Son of God.

Seventh-day Adventist Diane Wagner breaks silence on abortion at ASI 2014 convention

Diane Wagner helps break the SDA church’s silence on abortion. Their focus is mostly on counseling post-abortive women. Perhaps this method of “helping those that are alive and hurting” will attract more attention among our SDA leadership than what I and others have done of showing our leaders how abortion is a sin. I pray that our SDA church will strongly denounce this nefarious practice, rescind the “Abortion Guidelines”, and come up to the standard to protect all life made in the image of God.

incest latest abomination to gain acceptance?

Australian judge says incest may no longer be a taboo.

Judge in Australia says incest may no longer be a taboo and the only reason it is criminal is potential birth abnormalities, which can be solved by abortion.

Entire Telegraph article here.

Judge Garry Neilson, from the district court in the state of New South Wales, likened incest to homosexuality, which was once regarded as criminal and “unnatural” but is now widely accepted.

What is interesting to me, is that stuff like this is exactly what was predicted by those pointing out the abomination of homosexuality. While they were/are roundly pooh-poohed as being sensationalistic, they are being proven correct.

One big argument that homosexuals use to support their abomination, is: “How can you deny love between two consenting adults?” That kind of logic opens the gates to incest, polygamy, and other abominations.

Of course God, who has told us what is good and what is bad, knew this, so warned us with his holy words to not do those abominations.

May society at large, our Seventh-day Adventist church, and each of us individually repent, and resolve to follow all the words of God.

1888 Materials video

I try to read as much inspired writings as I can, and the older I get, the more I want to only read inspired writings. Having read a lot about the 1888 Message over the years, I dived into the 1888 Materials in 2008. I finally finished reading all 4820 paragraphs around the end of 2013.

What did I glean from this 5-year project (admittedly with many starts and stops along the way)? Mostly, that the biggest problem wasn’t doctrinal at all, but the haughty attitude of the leaders (represented mostly by Butler and Smith), and how they treated the young ministers with a different view (mostly Jones & Waggoner). The leaders also put down Ellen White every chance they could, as she basically supported Jones and Waggoner in their presentation of the Righteousness of Christ.

One very interesting take on reading the 1888 Materials, is that it seems that God was leading the Seventh-day Adventist Church to accept all the statutes and judgments, instead of only picking out the unclean meats, sexual perversions, and tithe statutes, but that the Church, by rejecting the message of Righteousness of Christ, was not given added light to help them come up a rung on the ladder closer to Jesus by following what he did while he walked this earth as a human.

This video covers what I consider to be the main points in the 1888 debate, and also highlights quotes that I saw as very important, or else very unusual and interesting. The completed video will be around an hour and a half long, so will be broken out into 3 parts. The first part is now available on youtube. Any comments, and especially “likes” on the video itself would be appreciated. May we uplift God’s messengers, even if they are younger than we are, and strive as much as possible to see eye to eye with the brethren.

spectrum magazine video

Today I put up a new video on youtube called “Spectrum Magazine banned”. It’s about how Spectrum, which is progressive/liberal magazine with a bent to tearing down basically everything Seventh-day Adventism stands for, is intolerant of views that don’t agree with their own. They do provide more details into stories that affect Seventh-day Adventists, and don’t just sugar-coat everything like the official SDA news sources always do, but their insistence on denigrating Ellen White and SDA doctrine is not the fruit of a holy spirit.

What is worse, is that many of their articles are even written by pastors and leaders and scholars in the SDA church itself!!

http://youtu.be/PnGSkR_Bl-g

I pray those responsible for publishing Spectrum will repent, and turn back to the truth as it is in Jesus.

Liberty Magazine (NARLA) thinks religious hostility in America is good

I just made a new video to protest NARLA’s response to the fact that “The U.S. saw a marked increase in hostility toward religion starting in 2009”. Instead of decrying it, NARLA is spinning it as a “good thing”!!

The North American Religious Liberty Association (NARLA) is the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s member-driven organization dedicated to promoting liberty of conscience and freedom of religion, and combating religious intolerance at the local, state, and national levels.
(From the official website)
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When I was little, I spent the beginning of
many Sabbaths reading Liberty Magazine.

(and Church & State, National Geographic,
Southern Tidings, Reader’s Digest etc.)
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It was good to see them on the front lines,
standing tall for religious liberty everywhere
it was threatened, in America and abroad.
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But it seems now the new leaders
don’t have the same desire to see
religious liberty for all, and instead
are more interested in following
the standard, liberal philosophy of:
“I’m OK, you’re OK”.
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In January, 2014, Pew Research reported
“…the United States moved from the low
category of government restrictions as of
mid-2009 to the moderate category in
2010, where it remained in 2012.”
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You would expect NARLA to be concerned
about religious liberty degradation not
only abroad, but in the United States too.

They are not, tho, as this video shows.
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Isn’t it natural to expect her to
express her concern about the
degradation of religious liberty
in America here?
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“The U.S. saw a marked increase in
hostility toward religion starting in
2009”. Yes, that sounds like
“bad news for religious folks”
to me. Not to you?
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This is not a comparison with the
rest of the world. This is about
religious freedom. If NARLA is
just about comparing “relative
freedoms”, then they have no
meaning as an organization
anymore.
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Yes, people live in “local”
places, so it is natural that
religious freedom needs are
felt at the local level.
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To be blunt about it, for the sake
of getting tax breaks from the govt.
the SDA church has made some
compromises with the gospel of
Jesus Christ. Instead of doing
everything to the glory of God,
we are more concerned about
keeping our tax breaks (mammon).
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No.
America has always been a “pluralistic
society”. NARLA Director, Melissa Reid,
have you considered what happened in
2009 to cause this “religious hostility”?
America voted in a new President who
is hostile to the Christian religion.
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There you have it –
A “marked increase in hostility
toward religion” is spun by NARLA
to mean “Good, this might mean
more freedom for all”.

NARLA, you’ve just made yourself
irrelevant, and part of the problem,
rather than part of God’s solution.
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I call on you, Melissa Reid, to repent,
and for all the NARLA workers to
get close to God’s word, and
resolve to honor God no matter the
cost to popularity with the world.

God’s holy days for 2014

God has a sabbath that comes around every 7th day – from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. He also has a special sabbath that occurs on the 10th day of the 7th month, called “Day of Atonement”. There are 6 other holy days of the Lord (Leviticus 23) in a year.

2014:

    Passover

– sundown April 13 to sundown April 14.

    1st day Unleavened Bread

– sundown April 14 to sundown April 15.

    7th day Unleavened Bread

– sundown April 20 to sundown April 21.

    Pentecost

– sundown June 7 to sundown June 8.

    Trumpets

– sundown September 24 to sundown September 25.

    Day of Atonement

– sundown October 3 to sundown October 4.

    1st day of Tabernacles

– sundown October 8 to sundown October 9.

    Last Great Day of Tabernacles

– sundown October 15 to sundown October 16.

While Passover is special, there is no command to refrain from work on it. The Day of Atonement is special, in that it is to be kept like a 7th day Sabbath, or perhaps even stricter with no work at all. The other 6 holy days just require no “servile” work.

May we rejoice in God’s wisdom and judgment in giving us holy days of rest to reflect on him.

bible explorations tabernacles 2013 stephen dickie promotes islam

Bible Explorations, based in Terra Bella California, is doing more than any other Seventh-day Adventist group to promote the Statutes of the Lord, which include the holy days. This has been a wonderful revelation of truth to me, and i highly respect Pastor John VanDenburgh for his tireless efforts to get that word out. I even went to the Passover meetings held there in California in 2012.

So it was with shock that i read their September newsletter listing the speakers and talk titles for the upcoming October Tabernacles’ meetings – Stephen Dickie “Truth from the Qur’an”.

This is awful. This is like Moses inviting Korah to give a talk to the Israelites about the “Truth in the book of Baal worship”. With trepidation, i emailed Sandy Clark, the grand daughter of Pr. VanDenburgh, with the facts i know, hoping she would reconsider. Here is our entire email exchange:
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Hello Sandy-san,
Just had to tell you all that i was really enjoying the September newsletter for Bible Explorations, when i noticed near the bottom that you all have invited Stephen Dickie to speak at Tabernacles!!!! His talk title? – “Truth in the Qur’an”.

Why was he invited?

I’ve spent a lot of time and energy refuting this man’s views that the Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
You can read what i’ve written about his writings and talks here:

stephen dickie “islam, god’s forgotten blessing” video review

“reaching islam made simple” review

new video on seventh-day adventists and islam

And here is a detailed study i did of the Qur’an, showing where it deviates from the Bible:
http://www.timeoftrouble.com/quran/quotes-from-quran.html

The God of the Bible is emphatic that he HAS a son.
The god of the Qur’an is emphatic that he has NO son.

Please reconsider having this agent of Satan speak at your Tabernacles meetings.
Keep looking to the Son of God,
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Her reply:
He does NOT believe that way, he gets to the Muslims by way of ONE GOD and His Son. 🙂 Not sure what your arguments are but Steve does believe in the one God we do, and His son.
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My reply:
I have been warning people about the false gospel of Stephen Dickie for about 5 years now.
I even made a video about how some fellow SDAs are promoting the false god of the Qur’an.
Please take a look:

The part showing that yes, Stephen Dickie does indeed say that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, is between 8:10 – 10:50 .

Please call on him to repent and worship the true God, and may you retract your speaking offer.
God bless as you pray about how to move forward, always keeping your eyes on Jesus,
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Her reply:
They do worship the same one…some may not realize it but they have ONE God and it is God. They are like the Jews, believe in God but not His Son. I see no problem. Maybe you need to study more, too. 🙂 He is fine and helping them find Jesus which is a WONDERFUL thing!
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My reply:
God is not mocked. Just because the Qur’an professes to believe the God of Abraham does not make it so. The Qur’an is emphatic that God has no son, but the Bible is emphatic that God has a son. This is clear enough that anyone willing to, can see that the Qur’an is not from God, and consequently, the god of the Qur’an is not the same as the God of the Abraham, because Abraham worshiped the true God, the one who has a son.

I do agree that we should show love to the Muslims. Many of them are much more sincere and searching for truth than we Seventh-day Adventist Christians are. Would Jesus shun them? Of course not, he would try his best to reach them where they were, and, here is the important difference between what we should really be doing as Christians, and what the Adventist-Muslim people are doing – is that we should be lifting up Jesus as the Son of God, the Saviour of the world.

The Qur’an, in referring to Isa, (which is claimed to be Jesus, but is not the true Jesus), says regarding Isa: Sura 43:59 He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel.

But the Bible says: John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

Pretty clear here about how much the Qur’an really values the Son of God – nothing but a slave. In contrast, Jesus calls himself the way, the truth, and the life. Notice that there is no other way to God – either you go thru Jesus, or you just don’t get to God at all. This basic pillar of Christianity has been overlooked for far too long in the name of “all you need is love”.

This should be very easy to understand, as the Qur’an emphatically says that god has no son, while the Bible emphatically says that he DOES have a son.

Many of us Seventh-day Adventists seem to have forgotten who Jesus is, and are telling people that the god of the Qur’an is the same as the God of the Bible.

Sura 18:4 And to warn those who say: Allah has chosen a son, 5 (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that comes out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
1John 2:23 Anyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either.

It is amazing to me that any Seventh-day Adventist could forget that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the only way to the one true God.

Please repent, Sandy, and believe in Jesus Christ,
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Her reply:
Please stop insulting me. I do believe in Him. I do NOT believe in the trinity. I believe in the Father and His Son. Period. So what’s the big deal? Please stop, you are being rude and arrogant, Daniel. Some Muslims have a bad way of life, but many are like the Jews, believe in the One God of the Bible (The Bible says there is ONE GOD) and they just do not believe He had a son. I do and will teach them.
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So this looks to be the end of our conversation. I will do my best to warn others, so that no one else will fall for the error of believing you can worship the Father without believing in his Son.

Jesus Christ, Son of God, how low will you let your people go before you will rise up and act?

collegedale tennessee adventists publicly show support for sodom

Collegedale, Tennessee, home of Southern Adventist University, has a population that is approximately half SDA. The town recently became the first in Tennessee to extend health benefits to those with same-sex spouses.
Collegedale vote on same-sex benefits

I’ve verified that at least 2 of those voting in FAVOR were SDAs.
SDAs vote for same-sex benefits

One of those SDAs voting in favor of the measure used this logic to support his case:

“What the Lord wants you to be is just, merciful, and humble. That’s my goal,” he said. “Why penalize someone when they’re born a certain way? … These people suffer enough, just give them a break.”

This is the fruit of preaching love, love, love, until love has no more meaning, so people can feel comfortable in a life of sin in direct opposition to God.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

1Corin 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

What does the pastor of the Collegedale Seventh-day Adventist church have to say about this abomination?

Wolf Jedamski, church administrator and pastor of global mission at Collegedale Church of Seventh-day Adventists, said that only about three congregants of the 3,000-member-plus congregation have called him worried about the issue.

“Some members see this as a homosexual issue or a marriage issue. The church sees this as a city issue, and we are not going to get involved in it,” Jedamski said. “It’s not really true anymore that the city of Collegedale is a city of Seventh-day Adventists. It’s grown much more diverse, and that’s a good thing.”

God couldn’t find even 10 righteous in Sodom.
We can’t find even 10 righteous in Collegedale.

seventh-day adventists and other churches

This is regarding the article titled “Seventh-day Adventists and Other Churches” in the June 20, 2013 Review. “article”

While it is customary to see officials in the Seventh-day Adventist church promote a watering down of the Three Angels Messages, it is still troubling to see it done with such disregard for historical facts.

For example, Ellen White did work with the Temperance movement. However, representatives from that movement did not come into our SDA churches and hold worship meetings with us. This is in stark contrast to what is happening now. In “Adventists and Lutherans in Conversation” which reports on the dialogues held between SDAs and LWFs in the 1994-1998 time frame, it says: “By spending many hours together in listening and seeking to understand, in agreeing and disagreeing, in eating and especially praying, we experienced the bonding of the Spirit under our one Lord Jesus Christ.” Also, “for the past 43 years the key person in the CWC has been a Seventh-day Adventist.” The Council for a Parliament of the World’s Religions reports several instances of SDAs worshipping with and even sponsoring their programs.

Author William Johnsson makes a statement that is one of the current “mantras” among modern-day leaders and members of the SDA church in rich countries: “On the other hand, we Adventists do not seek to be an exclusive church that shuns relations with other Christian bodies.”

We despise the word “exclusive”, and are constantly promoting the word “inclusive”. No more of that original hymnal put out by James White titled “Hymns for God’s peculiar people,: That keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus”. Now we want to be just like the other churches, no, just like the world as much as possible, so that no one can tell us apart, so we don’t suffer any embarrassment or feeling of “being different”.

I wonder if we will feel embarrassment when Jesus looks deep into our hearts and announces our eternal destiny?

To join with those not of our faith to promote the good of society is one thing, but to extrapolate that to mean that it is then OK to worship with them is entirely different.
2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

More links showing this feeling that we are all one, and showing instances where we have groveled to get other denominations/relgions to accept us:
“parliament of religions”
“SDA & Rome”
“Bert Beach”
“SDA & papacy”
“more Bert Beach and papacy”
“steps to rome”
“so much in common between WCC & SDA”

Please notice that many of the above links are to sites that i do not recommend! Sadly, many people who sigh and cry over the abominations being done in Jerusalem, refuse to follow the message of Ezekiel 9 to stay in Jerusalem.

May we be among those IN Jerusalem sighing and crying over the abominations done in its midst, and thus receive the seal of God in our foreheads.