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did God say “don’t touch” to Eve?

Post edited June 19, 2008 

Regarding God telling Adam and Eve to not touch the forbidden fruit:
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ti: Spiritual Gifts. Volume 3
pr: 2
pg: 35
In the midst of the garden, near the tree of life, stood the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. Of this tree the Lord commanded our
first parents not to eat, neither to touch it, lest they die. He told
them that they might freely eat of all the trees in the garden except
one; but if they ate of that tree they should surely die.
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ti: The Spirit of Prophecy Volume One
ct: The Temptation and Fall
pg: 27
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In the midst of the garden, near the tree of life, stood the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This tree was especially designed of God
to be the pledge of their obedience, faith and love to him. Of this
tree the Lord commanded our first parents not to eat, neither to touch
it, lest they die
. He told them that they might freely eat of all the
trees in the garden except one; but if they ate of that tree they
should surely die.

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pt: Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald
dt: 02-24-1874
at: Redemption, No. 1
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Eve had overstated the words of God’s command. He had said to Adam
and Eve, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt
not eat of it; for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely
die.” In Eve’s controversy with the serpent, she added the clause,
“Neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die
.” Here the subtlety of the
serpent was seen. This statement of Eve gave him advantage, and he
plucked the fruit, and placed it in her hand, and used her own words,
“He hath said, ‘If ye touch it, ye shall die.’ You see no harm comes to
you from touching the fruit, neither will you receive any harm by
eating it.”
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So yes, the Lord DID tell them not to even touch the forbidden fruit.  Eve did not tell a lie or even overstate by telling the serpent that they were not supposed to touch the fruit.  She was just repeating what the Lord had told her.

How can this be when the Bible only mentions about God’s command not to eat of the fruit?  God did not have the Bible writers say anything about touching the fruit, but in giving an expanded view to Ellen White, God chose to tell her about this fact.  The Bible does not directly say either that the Sabbath issue will be the great issue in the last days, but that information WAS given to Ellen White.  It doesn’t contradict the Bible at all, just gives added information so that those who live in the last days can prepare better to withstand Satan’s temptations.
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I have studied quite a bit of material with Ellen White’s name on it, and the ONLY instance i have ever seen of any contradiction in that material before 1881 is this question about whether God said to not touch the forbidden fruit or not.  After her husband died in 1881 tho, and the chief editor changed, there can be found many contradictions.  Just as in the case of the Bible, i believe that with material with Ellen White’s name on it, the closer we go back to the originals – the better.

if it isn’t God’s will…..

if it isn’t God’s will…..it won’t happen!????
There is probably a specific theological or philosophical term for this phenomenon, but not being well-versed in either language, i just came up with this title to describe this.  No doubt this has been around a long time, but i don’t recall coming across it until December 2006, then again in January this year, and then again this week.  While hoping that these occurrences are isolated, and aren’t the start of a new trend, i write this to inform others of this type of thinking, and invite and encourage responses.

mistakes in the bible?


This experience happened at a campmeeting held in Germany August 6-13 2006.  Because it involves leader-type figures in Seventh-day Adventism, real names have been used so readers of this can be responsibly informed.

David Kang of Light to Live Ministries, and John Davis of Orion Publishing both believe that there are mistakes in the Bible.

While having supper with Brother Kang one evening, i introduced the 1858 Great Controversy book, and showed him a few things after he had asked why i was promoting it.  I told him i believed all the words in it are from God, and showed him one place in chapter 30 where it says what the apostles wrote in the Bible was: “dictated by the Holy Ghost”.  He smiled and said something like: “of course we don’t believe the Bible was dictated do we?”, and when i answered that some, including myself, DO believe that way, he got very serious and said that i was going against the Spirit of Prophecy, and that he would bring me a quote showing that belief was false. 

He said: “Do you believe Paul was inspired when he asked someone to bring his coat?”  I replied in the affirmative.  He continued: “We know that there are some minor mistakes in the Bible.  For example, one writer says Mary Magdalene ran first to the tomb, while others don’t.  Some of the numbers given don’t match up.  And one writer even attributes a quote to Jeremiah when we know it was actually in Isaiah!  Do you believe the Holy Spirit dictated a mistake?”  I replied that “the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict himself, and that we, being 2,000 years removed, may not know exactly the details of why that was given that way.  Just as with Paul’s coat, that exact phrase that the Holy Spirit had Paul write may have been just the thing to convince some doubter living at that time of the authenticity of that letter that it was indeed from Paul.”

whose missionary?

The Qur’an is from Satan.
Saying this raised a storm of controversy this Friday evening at Vespers at the Bangkok Chinese Seventh-day Adventist Church. 

A church member is sponsoring a man from the Philippines to have an English language school at the church for missionary purposes.  This man, R, was once a missionary to the Muslims in the southern Philippines on some Muslim-dominated island, perhaps Jolo.  He was one of a group of 4 who helped establish a Seventh-day Adventist Muslim church there (no joke).

sermon – honor the king

Romans 13:1-7
1Peter 2:13-14

The Bible says to obey the government and rulers, but should we obey them all the time?

Daniel 3:8-18
Daniel 3:19-27
Daniel 3:28-30

Acts 5:17-18
Acts 5:19-20
Acts 5:27-28
Acts 5:29

1Timothy 2:1-3