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5732. daniel said in June 19th, 2011

fred, You have the clearest writing of just about anybody i’ve ever seen on this topic.
“The children of Israel were told by God to totally reject all the other gods (this upset the other religions of the time), and religious prostitution is an abomination”
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pram, You sound like someone who perhaps is on the frontlines of this, meeting Muslims. You understand the Biblical truth well. May God bless you as you lift up Jesus to the people.
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Njen, “How to reach our Muslim friends?” I don’t have a one-size-fits-all formula, and i really doubt God does either. Look at the life of Christ, he was very gentle and kind to the downtrodden, the poor, those who knew they were sinners and were seeking something better. To the Pharisees and others who were not humble he was very direct and spoke strongly against them and their practices. Always he went about doing good, which is the secret i believe — we should always be living like Jesus, talking like Jesus, doing like he would, helping others, and always lifting up Jesus, the only way to the Father.
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John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

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5743. pram said in June 29th, 2011

dear brothers,
lately i came across a web of ali sina, http://www.faithfreedom.org/, an intelectual moslem from iran who convert into something i don’t know, but obviously he tried to unfold the Islam from inside. if what he writes there is true, and he seems so convincing about this with all the quoation from Qur’an and hadist, then i agree with daniel that we should not compromise as if we are making a bridge of relationship with moslem based on the same things ( esp the same God).
once again, if what ali sina said is true, then it is totally wrong to act as if we have so much in common with them.
all the hatred, murders and brutality done by our moslem brother is not because of their misintrepetation of their religion but it is purely because their religion told them to do so. Jesus is so divine, selflessness,, self-sacrifice, not any single action He did is for his own sake, every litle thing he did in His life is for other people, it is absolutely different from *********. Jesus did not get Himself involved in a low matter such as marrying a girl under age, or widow, or daughter in law or so busy with having so many wives. Jesus did not need swords, never give command of killing enemy instead pray for them, never put His attention to worldly matter, and never use God to justify His doings. go to that website, read some articles to know how our moslem brother’s prophet lived, then read more our bible, learn more about Jesus, and you’ll shed your tears..GBU

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5745. daniel said in June 29th, 2011

Yes pram, that faithfreedom site details many of the atrocities of Muslims, all the while exposing the root cause of all this — their “holy” book tells them to fight and kill for their false god – “Allah”.
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You can see many of the Qur’an’s contradictions with the Bible on my web site: http://www.timeoftrouble.com/quran/quotes-from-quran.html
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Lift up Jesus always 🙂

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5884. daniel said in October 21st, 2011

http://www.andrews.edu/focus/archives/2009-3-focus-web.pdf

This link is to the Andrews University magazine for summer 2009. In it you can see pics of students who went to a mosque in Tanzania to pray and worship together with the Muslims. Of course this is done in the name of “cultural awareness”. How low will God’s people go? Maybe next time we will see them attending a human sacrifice ritual to experience their “traditions”?
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“A notable highlight for both students and faculty was a visit to the mosque in Arusha. We were given a brief lecture about how the mosque operates. The women had the opportunity to wear the burka and hijab as we prepared to enter the mosque to pray. Most of the men wore the taqiyah and the thobe. We had to prepare ourselves to pray by washing our hands,
feet, face and specifically, our nose and ears. Then we were separated and the women were taken up to the roof to pray.
The traditions and rituals were explained to us and we were able to ask a plethora of questions as well as take pictures.”

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6083. bentley80 said in January 6th, 2012

daniel, this is a new year. I hope you would have learnt a few things since I have last been here. You see, our church is apostacizing as we speak – E.G. White calls this period the omega apostacy. THe alpha apostacy occured when Kellogg brought his pantheist ideas into the church way back then. Sis White urge the faithful ones to come out her then. Now you daniel, if you are serious with your adventism as well as many others who know what they are doing, instead of being picky with aspects that suit them, lets us study more of SOP. Since 2001, our church institutions have been teaching Spiritual formation leading to the ’emerging church’ which I doubt you know anything about. I dont stand to condemn anyone but to enlightened those who will hear. Study study and study with careful prayer and you cant miss what’s going on.

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6084. bentley80 said in January 6th, 2012

In addition, daniel and other SDA church members, let me remind you that our church was established to continue the reformation which started during Ellen White’s era. Why was there a reformation? Rome wanted her universal Sunday worship. We have the 3 Angels Messages to proclaim to the entire world instead of arguing amongst ourselves on issues that were we conversant with the Bible and SOP, we will identify what exactly is taking place before our very eyes. I will copy and paste below what every SDA church member should know at this time among other events taking place around us within the church:
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The last and the greatest abomination that will be committed, before probation closes upon the SDA church, and the individual sealing begins (in Ezekiel 9), is sun worship!
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bentley80, Neither of your 2 comments here relate to the subject matter of Adventist/Muslim relations. I agree that there are bad things going on the Seventh-day Adventist church. I do what i can to raise my voice against those bad things, and call for repentance and reform.
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But the idea that because there are around 25 people in the General Conference Committee does not mean that they have all done sun worship as shown in Ezekiel.
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Please watch your spirit, Brother. We need to be peaceable and gentle with all men as much as possible. I forgive you for your accusation against me. Let’s strive to imitate our lovely example – Jesus Christ 🙂

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6096. bentley80 said in January 8th, 2012

Dear Bro daniel, I do humbly apologize for any offence caused even though I am surprised you appear offended. First, I have observed that Satan is indeed at work in our church with virtually every SDA member coming out with different interpretations of even SOP. No wonder Peter and Paul back in the early Xtian days had the same issues as myself and yourself. If God is really leading us, we should be singing from the same song sheet. Indeed my comments have deviated from AMR issues based on your replies to my take on it. On thing is certain for me, since establishing the AMR, our church has not won over the Muslim brethen as such. Rather, at least where I live, we have incorporated many Muslim ideas. Tell you what Bro daniel, I dont stand to judge you or anyone at all. Our church has been attending, participating, observing several ecumenical organisation with a so-called view to win the other religions to our side for their salvation. Our common enemy the devil will be laughing at us SDAs arguing among ourselves on questions of doctrine and theology. For me I am out. My mission is to sigh and cry over the abominations of the ‘Beast’ within us and to preach the 3 Angel’s messages to the whole world. I hadly get involved in these types of comments anyway. I have been researching and teahing for over 30 years and came across this blog in 2010. For the last one month, I have discovered newer evidence of SDA compromising with the world which further strengthens my resolve. Once again, no offence intended. I wish you the best in your Xtian experience. After this, I will not respond to any comments as it s not spiritually profitable to engage in unnecessary arguments on scripture. Happy New Year any way and God continue to bless your ministry.

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6103. daniel said in January 9th, 2012

Hello bentley80, I appreciate your spirit in this comment 🙂
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You write: “For me I am out.”
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In seeing the sins performed by God’s Seventh-day Adventist church, i have considered leaving this church twice in my life. Both times i was stopped by Ezekiel 9 and Revelation 3.
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Rev. 3 shows that Jesus stills loves the SDA church (verse 19). Ezekiel 9 shows that if you want the Seal of God in your forehead, you must be sighing and crying for the abominations done in the church, AND you must be where – inside the city or outside the city?

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6119. bentley80 said in January 12th, 2012

The Lord certainly wants me to still be involved in dicsussions with you. I had bookmarked your article since 2010 and when I tried to find something else today, yours opened up and I read your response. Dear brother, plz never contemplate on leaving the Church because you see, just before a Sunday law is passed, individuals of likeminds will form home-churches as our mother church would grow in apostacy. Are you aware that our institutions teach Spiritual Formation etc – Andrews, Loma LInda etc. This is directly from the Jesuit Spiritual Exercises. The Jesuits are linked to the Vatican. The Vatican is trying to bring all governments and churches under one umbrella for a future Sunday law. The AMR is just one of the tools employed to infilterate us. Not just AMR, several doctrinal issues that will eventually turn the SDA church into clasping its hand with Rome. Watch Pastor B.T. Rice and late John Paul II at an interfaith gathering on youtube. McEdwards and Whitehouse in your article play the same role as B.T. Rice. They just deal with the AMR aspect. Last year, I preached Present Truth as adviced by Sis White in a certain church. Guess what….I was told afterwards by the resident Pastor never to preach such sermons because it ‘stirs emotions’ among members and that the message for this time period is ‘Love and Grace’. Also for your info, check out 911 directed energy weapons on youtube as you doubted my initial comments in 2010. Then finally, google ‘the black pope with eric phelps. It is only then, with all the sound knowledge that you have, you will be able to fit the whole puzzle together. Trust me in this one Bro daniel. You know so much…why not know the rest. God bless and keep the faith. Let me know how you fair. Cheers.

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6254. daniel said in February 9th, 2012

Hello bentley80, You had an interesting, nice post about spreading the truth until you got down to the end and off into conspiracy theories. Brother, let’s stay focused on the truth, and away from this speculative stuff that no one can prove, and that frankly, turns off many honest-in-heart people seeking for the truth.
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Please understand that i have studied out many conspiracy theories, and used to believe them over 20 years ago. Thankfully the Lord led me away from them.
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Let’s point people to Jesus, and stand strong for the truth as it is in him 🙂

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6620. Jel said in April 17th, 2012

Helo daniel,
I respect your statements and understanding, but let me ask you this, Are you engaged in Muslim ministry? If yes, then, How did you do that? How’s the result? Pls mail me

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6701. Ron Stone M.D. said in May 19th, 2012

I have two copies of the Qu’ran which I have read, along with hundreds of the Hadiths. There is no way Islam is even remotely compatible with Christianity, especially SDA Bible-based beliefs. Anyone who tries to “candy-coat” Islam, Allah, or anything they stand for is way off base.

We certainly need to present the Gospel to Muslims. But to misrepresent what Islam is, who Allah is, and generally deceive our SDA members is completely wrong.

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6706. daniel said in May 21st, 2012

Totally agreed with that Br. Stone!
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We need to uplift Jesus – always Jesus, the Son of God.

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9462. Islamajinn said in February 13th, 2014

I really understood that God of Christian is not the same with the God of Muslim for allah has something to do with pagan moon god.As we all know that Muslims are hard to reach. AMR if it is the only way that we can reach Muslim and save them, YET IF BY REASON OF MY LIE THE TRUTH OF GOD HAS BEEN MADE MORE PROMINENT TO HIS GLORY, WHY AM I ALSO YET BEING JUDGED AS A SINNER? ROMANS 3:7

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18092. royabner said in July 24th, 2014

Just a suggestion. your discussion has only two methods. try both of them. what ever method could win a soul, then use them, we “adventist” few were just wasting so much of our time in head knowledge. Go and do whatever it takes to win anyone back to God. Then realized which method will work…dont convinced an adventist who could memorized even the whole bible and cant memorized a single name of soul being won for Christ…please dont convinced me, show to God what you got… experienced what you learned brothers….

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160620. Ebenezer Kwadwo Agyei said in February 21st, 2015

I have been appointed as chairman of Advent muslim relationship leader in my church.But I don’t have any idea about this my new leadership roll. The Question is how can you help?

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160697. daniel said in February 22nd, 2015

Ebenezer, I don’t know how to help you, other than to point you to
http://www.timeoftrouble.com
where you can find information on the differences between the Qur’an and the Bible.
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Please treat all Muslims as you would want to be treated, lost souls made in the image of God who need Jesus Christ.

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189952. Esther Star said in April 12th, 2015

Hi brethren? the best way to reach any Muslim or none believer is to first wait on the Lord. u can’t put God in a box! Let God Almighty order ur steps. the problem with us Christians is impatience in waiting n seeking the Lord esp in such matters! May God helps us overcome. ma example is how the Spirit of God led the early saints/ apostles….. they always were on track. does anyone understand this?

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197891. Md.Shiful Islam said in May 18th, 2015

Dear sir Jereld whitehouse,
Greetings from Bangladesh.how are you?
God bless you.You pray for me.
thanks,
Shiful

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203348. bentley80 said in June 9th, 2015

Dear Daniel, five years down the line, my suspicions have proved right. In fact, I have totally forgotten about this blog but while research Jerald Whitehouse, your blog came out among other results. Hmmmmm. I have bad news for you Daniel as well as other folks who may not be aware of ceratin things going on behind the scenes in Adventism.

‘A Common Word Between Us and You’is according to its website, the most successful Muslim-Christian interfaith initiative in history. This ‘Open Letter’ started in humble beginnings from 13 October 2007.

I advise all of you here to google it and find out what it is all about and how your dear SDA Church is involved. However, let me state this here and now: There are 281 Christian denominational endorsements to this initiative. No 119 signitory is listed as J. Whitehouse for the Global Center for AMR, GC of SDAs. Hmmmm. No 127 signitory is listed as Jerald Whitehouse as Director, Presbyterian Church, USA. Coincidence? Or perhaps another name sake. Double roles? You figure it out yourselves. Perhaps they are pals. M. Carr, an instructor at Loma Linda University is signitory No 161. Among other faith signitories are Jesuits.

Ephesians 5:11 – Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

I dont hate Muslims neither am I saying we should not love them or minister to them but interfaithism is not the answer to our brand of gospel.

A word is enough for the wise.

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204597. daniel said in June 14th, 2015

Thank you for the update, bentley. As before, you give some good information, and you give/imply some false information too.
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Brother, let’s treat each other as we would want to be treated.

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