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6601. Lysimachus said in April 13th, 2012

I find your review highly disappointing. You state that Ron du Preez’ book, “Feast-Keeping and the Faithful” attempts to link feast keeping with the sacrifices, but does so “in vain”.

Pretend for a moment that Ron du Preez does not exist. Focus on the Biblical exegesis he provided in his book:

The Law of God was never abolished. Only the earthly remedial system was abolished, and changed over to a heavenly remedial system, where Christ as our High Priest “ever liveth to make intercession for us” (Heb. 7:25), because type had met antitype. The New Covenant era is the Antitype of the Old Covenant types. Therefore, all earthly festivals and ceremonies were intrinsically interconnected with the sacrificial system.

The NIV translates Leviticus 23:37 thus:

“These are the LORD’s appointed feasts, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies FOR bringing offerings made BY fire to the LORD.” (Lev. 23:37)

This is similar to the Bible in Basic English:

“These are fixed feasts of the Lord, to be kept by you as holy days of worship, FOR making an offering by fire to the Lord.”

The somewhat more idiomatic New Living Translation (revised) has rendered it:

“‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals. Celebrate them each year as official days for holy assembly BY presenting special gifts to the Lord.”.

Even before the publication of the King James Version, the sixteenth century Geneva Bible put it this way:

“These are the feasts of the Lord (which ye shall call holy convocations) TO offer sacrifice made by fire unto the Lord.”

In brief, the appointed seasons are for sacrificing; these occasions were set up by God so as TO offer sacrifices.

However, it is abundantly clear that the Seventh-Day Sabbath of the 4th commandment was NEVER FOR offerings or sacrifices. What was it made for? It was made FOR “man” (Mark 2:26,27). Why were we to celebrate it? “FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:11)

The festival feasts were “BESIDE the Sabbaths of the Lord”. This is the very NEXT verse after Leviticus 23:37 which just gave the reasons for the festivals:
“BESIDE the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.” (Leviticus 23:38 )
Thus, we see how when Paul in Ephesians 2:15, Galatians 4:10, Romans 14:5 and Colossians 2:14-17 provided clear stipulations for the abolishment of those commandments contained in “ordinances”, and were a “shadow” of things to come, he in NO way was thinking of the Ten Commandments which were completely beside the shadowy services that were interconnected with the sanctuary. If the Sabbath was not “for offerings and sacrifices”, then it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for it to be included with the other 11 festival “sabbaths” (pdf) which were tied to the sacrificial offerings, and absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for it to be a “substance” or “shadow” of Christ as Colossians 2:17 puts it. The Sabbath points backward to creation, and was instituted in Genesis 2:2,3 long before, sin, a Jew, or any Sinaitic covenant existed. The festival sabbaths that were for sacrificial offerings were shadows pointing forward to the cross—and all these met their substance, and therefore their earthly function needed to cease.

Yes, it is true that there were times sacrifices were offered on Sabbath, but these sacrifices were not offered on the Sabbath because the Sabbath was the Sabbath. But because it happened to be #1. Something they added to that day, and #2. A number of times the festivals landed on the Sabbath making it a “high day”. But the Sabbath of the 4th commandment was never made “for” offerings and sacrifices. The 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 tell us what the Sabbath was for, and it was for something that was “outside” of the Old Covenant. In fact, the Sabbath is mentioned as obligatory in Exodus 16, a whole month prior to when the covenant was made at Sinai.

The earthly ceremonial festivals along with offerings and circumcision was a remedial law to deal with the problem of sin against the MAIN law. In other words, circumcision is not moral. It is only a ceremony to SYMBOLIZE the severing of the old man of sin and the flesh from our lives (see Col. 2:11; Rom. 2:29; Deut 10:16). But it is not the “base” law. The remedial/ceremonial law simply deals with the problem of sin, or “remedies” the problem of sin–against what? Against the MAIN law contained in the Ark of the Covenant–the laws which Christ came to amplify and magnify their vast spiritual meaning!

We therefore see, that Preez has establish an unmovable scriptural point.

The case is settled.

The case is closed.

All festival keeping has now been proven Biblically to no longer be binding.

It is official.

Continue to keep the feasts, and you will continue to insult Jehovah.

~ Lysimachus

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6603. daniel said in April 13th, 2012

Hello Lysimachus,
Your detailed reply is very welcome.
And your tone is nice too until near the end.
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However, you have not covered many of the main points why the feasts are still binding on us today.
1. They were given by Jesus as God
2. They were kept by Jesus as man
3. They are part of the Statutes which we know for certain are still in force
4. There is no place anywhere in the Bible or Ellen White’s writings to show that they have been done away
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Please think about it Lysimachus —
We Seventh-day Adventists choose to keep some of the Statutes today, but not others. Why?
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To say that doing as Jesus did in keeping the feasts is to “continue to insult Jehovah” is saying that Jesus insulted Jehovah. Is this what you intended?
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Please study a little deeper, and refrain from sweeping statements not supported by the Word of God 🙂

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6630. Colten said in April 20th, 2012

Jesus kept the feasts because the feasts were not done away with until the cross…Col 2:14-17…(notice-new moon, drink and meat offering, Sabbath days, holy days). Now read these verses, Lev 23(whole chapter-mainly verses 34-37); 2Chron 2:4; 1Chron23:31-32; 2Chron 8:13. These are about feasts like the feast of tabernacles and unleavened bread, booths, etc. They contain the same wording found in Col 2:14-17. Col 2:14-17 mentions that these are a shadow of things to come…these feasts pointed to Jesus in some form or way.Take the Passover, Christ is our Passover Lamb…if we r keeping the feasts we are denying Christ especially the Cross…forgive me for the very direct typing approach I’m using a cellphone. It does not type the best.

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6635. daniel said in April 20th, 2012

Hello Colten,
I thot mostly like you until just last year. I found out from the inspired words and from history that i was wrong.
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You say the feasts are a shadow, but there is no proof given that even if they are “a shadow”, which inspiration says they were not, nowhere does the Colossians 2 text say anything about abolishing anything. In fact, Paul himself in Acts 28 says “I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers”.
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Your point athat Jesus did keep the feasts, and then abolished them, is very, very strange. Actually, you are admitting that we are to keep the feasts, because everyone knows that if we do exactly like Jesus, he will certainly let us in heaven to live with him forever, won’t he? Isn’t it those who DON’T do like him that he will reject?
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Let’s be deeper students of the Word, and follow the Lamb wherever he leads us.

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6637. Colten said in April 20th, 2012

You never understood what I meant…when Jesus was living on earth the law(book of the law-law of moses, etc) was still abiding but when Jesus died that’s when the law was done away with…Jesus ate fish does that mean that we can eat fish…I need to get ready for work soon but the health message is very important for us to take heed to…especially since we r living in the anti typical day of atonement. I can go more in depth later.
Have a good day…keep studying…and as I say, forward on our knees

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6644. daniel said in April 22nd, 2012

Yes Colten, I do understand what you meant. What you wrote is basically the same way i was thinking about the feasts until last year when my eyes were opened and i stopped leaning on human wisdom.
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If you can show me from the Bible or Spirit of Prophecy that Jesus did away with the law, then please show that proof. We know from Jesus’ own words that none of the law will pass away until ALL is fulfilled, and heaven and earth pass away.

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6651. Colten said in April 24th, 2012

I will look into it…can u show me in the Bible or SoP where it says that we don’t have to keep the feasts exactly like they did in the Old Testament

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6654. daniel said in April 24th, 2012

Daniel 9:27
and
John 4:21
are good starting points 🙂

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6665. Connie Dahlke said in April 28th, 2012

Thank you for this calm assessment of Ron DuPreez’ book. We are SDAs and have been Feast Keepers since about 2002, after studying the subject from various angles.

We have more recently written three books on the topic: The Elijah Message, Preparing for the Latter Rain and Jesus Gives Joy. We have also written a 12-page response to the two recent (Feb 2012) articles in the Adventist Review.

The Feast message is gaining ground, as the opposition to it shows.

God bless you, and don’t let them wear you down.

Connie Dahlke

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6679. Simon said in May 2nd, 2012

If you want to keep feasts, go become a Messianic Jew. If you want to be an Adventist Christian, you are not obligated. A good explanation can be found at:

http://adventistcultmisconceptions.blogspot.com.au/

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6684. daniel said in May 3rd, 2012

No evidence is given for the position you have stated, Simon. None is given at the url provided either……
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Please show from the inspired words that the Statutes of the Lord regarding the feast days has been done away with. I will gladly obey and follow.

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6687. Simon said in May 3rd, 2012

Ok, then I suggest from the GC’s official theological website then the following articles:

http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/israelitefestivals.pdf

http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/PassoverandPentecost.htm

But I personally think the best text is Dan. 82:7, prophesying that at the Cross, Jesus will:

‘and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease’

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6688. Simon said in May 3rd, 2012

Sorry, that’s Dan. 8:27

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6694. daniel said in May 4th, 2012

Simon, you have been busy commenting a lot today!
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I suggest you think a little more before posting in the future.
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Perhaps Daniel 9:27 is the verse you are thinking of? If so, yes, it is clear exactly what would be done away with in the middle of the week – the sacrifices and oblations. Please show where it says the “holy days”, or “sabbaths”, or “feasts of the Lord” are done away with.

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6697. daniel said in May 9th, 2012

This article in the February 23, 2012 issue of the Adventist Review is very interesting – Does Colossians 2:16,17 Abolish the Sabbath? In summary, they say the only thing abolished were the drink and meat offerings used in the sacrifices:
http://www.adventistreview.org/issue.php?issue=2012-1506&page=14

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8312. Kevin McMillen said in August 10th, 2013

“”p.255 Br. du Preez says there weren’t 7 “sabbaths”. It would have been more accurate for it to have described these as six “semi-rest” days and one ceremonial sabbath
“my”Now we need “scholars” to re-write the Bible for us???””

Again, if he insists that there weren’t 7 “sabbaths” then why does he go out of his way trying to prove that the word Sabbaths (sabbaton) in Col. 2:16 refers to the 7 annual feasts and not the weekly Sabbath?

Brother du Preez maketh no sense!

Kevin McMillen
Morgantown, WV
kljcmc@comcast.net

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8313. Kevin McMillen said in August 10th, 2013

In Col. 2:16 the “no man” is obviously talking about those from the “sect of the pharisees which believed”

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

Anyone who has studied the Pharisees should know that when they spoke of the “law of Moses” they meant not only the written Law but also the oral Law.

The oral law had just as much weight with the Pharisee as the written law did.

So, anyone who has studied the Mishnah should know all the different rules and regulations the Pharisees had concerning eating, drinking, Holy Days, New Moons, and the Sabbaths.

It was these Pharisees who were judging the gentile Colossians telling them that they weren’t eating drinking and keeping the days properly according to the traditions of the Fathers.

Hence this is why Paul wrote:

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The Colossians were most certainly keeping the Sabbath and the Holy Days, just as the Corinthians were, and the Galatians. Gal. 4:10

It’s just that the Galatians were allowing the believing Pharisees to influence them and they were meticulously watching, and being very careful about what they did on the sabbath and Feast days.

Look up the word for observe in Gal. 4:10.

It is paratereo and it is only used 5 times in the bible. Once it’s translated observe, the other 4 times it’s translated watch.

It is used when the Jews were watching Jesus to see if he would sin.

It is a negative word meaning to meticulously watch, or scrupulously watch.

There’s nothing wrong with keeping the days but we aren’t to scrupulously watch what we do as if our salvation depends on it.

Some say the Galatians were going back to pagan days here in Gal. 4:10 but that doesn’t make contextual sense.

Paul is admonishing the Galatians for thinking that their lawkeeping works could save them.

Why would anyone who thought that law keeping would save them, why would they go back to pagan days?

The weak and beggarly elements were trying to earn salvation with meticulous scrupulous religious practices.

Keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days because we want to obey God, knowing that our salvation rests solely on Jesus is the proper way to keep days, not thinking that keeping them makes us any closer to God.

Kevin McMillen
Morgantown, WV
kljcmc@comcast.net

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8315. Kevin McMillen said in August 10th, 2013

“”p.187 We have already demonstrated that the inspired apostle Paul specifically stated that the ancient festal calendar as a “shadow” had met its fulfillment in the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the substance to which all the ceremonial law pointed
“my”Not demonstrated. Some words from non-sda “scholars” were used to “demonstrate” this, not inspired words.””

Paul wrote Colossians in about 62ad. In Col. 2:17 he said that these “are” (present tense) shadows if things to come (future tense).

No where does the bible call anything shadows of anything past.

The Feasts and the weekly Sabbath day are shadows of things yet to come.

Things that were yet to come in 62ad, over 30 years after Jesus’ death, and they are still yet to come today in 2013ad.

Kevin McMillen
Morgantown, WV
kljcmc@comcast.net

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10409. Laura Lee said in May 23rd, 2014

It truly saddens me that keeping the festivals has been such a matter of contention among SDAs in recent years. At a time when the message of the first angel should be proclaimed with power, opposition and division has hampered our evangelism. The question is who is opposing the true message of the first angel? In June 2011, I was studying revival throughout Scripture. I discovered that the reading of Torah was a central activity to each of seven biblical revivals. In nearly every case a festival was restored and celebrated. In my Daniel Seminar KJV cross references, at Rev 14:7 it gave Neh 9:6. This surprised me because we have always referred to Ex 20:8. When I read the context of Nehemiah 9 (8-10), I found a detailed description of the last recorded biblical revival. When I considered Revelation 14 to be a call to the earth’s final revival, I wondered how John quoted Nehemiah as if to reference a pattern to be repeated. Fear God and give glory to Him is also a call to define this revival with Hebraic context. It is time for SDAs to give the message we have been called to give with all the light that scriptural study brings. Feast keepers are no less SDAS as we give the Three Angels Messages. We do not seek to oppose our brethren we only seek to fear God and give glory to Him. We seek to live the message we bear. Christian said the Luke 10:27, this do and thought shalt live. “Worship HIM that made,” is understood in the greater context of Nehemiah when a call to worship HIM was a call to return to the covenant (Neh 10:29). We have more than a message, we have a prescribed lifestyle which settles us into the truth that we will not be moved (the sealing). Feast keeping is a small piece to a larger whole. It is “obedience to all HIS requirements.” It is rejoicing in the specifications of the law. The everlasting gospel to be given to all in Rev 14:6 does not exclude the invitations to action in verse 7. Our characters are to give HIM glory. Let us not oppose the very message we are called to give. Mal 4:4-6 is also declared to be the final revival. We must be on the right track if we interpreted John in Revelation 14 to call us to Remember the law of Moses with its statutes and judgments. It is the Elijah message. It is a call to true covenant worship, moving away from Baal (Babylon). Let us come into unity and action as a people.

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10748. daniel said in May 29th, 2014

I hadn’t really made that connecion between the 3 Angels’ Messages and the holy days of the Lord before. Looks like that is a profitable line of study.

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13827. marvgrich said in July 6th, 2014

where can I get this book for myself, is this the latest issue I think purple in color on the cover?

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91802. stinsonmarri said in November 23rd, 2014

I have been an SDA since 1955 and have a degree in Biblical History specializing also in Afrikan studies. Since a young child I was ardent student of Commentaries including the SDA. I had a lot of questions that SDA taught but did not make either Biblical sense or common sense. One were the Holy Days that YAHWEH very clearly stated that they belong to HIM. I also realize that the words feast means what is says and it what pagans do since they left keeping the original Holy Days of ELOHIM.
I found that these Holy Days were pronounced even before man and sin. Gen 1:14
Many including SDA’s who proclaim to keep do not seem to realize their significance and felt as those who do not observe to be related with animal sacrifice. What I see and relate to all animal sacrifice came because of sin and not the Holy Days.
All who claim to keep the Holy Days do actually realizes that they are part of the Law know as Statutes which are fixed time that can only be given by ELOHIM. Fix time is only a part of YAHWEH’S ELOHIM Calendar which includes both the moon and the sun. Geology and Astrology also have been over look because most do not believe in a worldwide flood with the water rising all the up into the Lithosphere. The amount of water that was preserve surrounding the outer sphere of the earth also came down during the flood. With all of the water and the large land mass cause the earth to move from its original rotation around the sun and the moon could not rotate equally around the earth. ELOHIM had already prepare for this change and told man that now he will receive various type of climate. Gen 8:22 However, man was continue to use the original calendar they did not. ELOHIM also provided the New Year base on ELOHIM fix time, the ancient knew this but the Egyptian decided to change time using the sun as a calendar only. Others follow and the Roman did the same but it continue throw off yearly time and Gregory the Pope corrected the days but not the months, that why we have leap years which makes no sense. Because the sun and moon were off ELOHIM fix that it would be corrected every 19 years so a 13 month would be added. Again, YAHWEH fix time because of sin, HE stated clearly when man would be able to see a sliver of light on the New Moon it would always begin the month but to actual time the New Year begin has to do with the barley crop when it becomes ripen. This special grain crop ripen first among all of the grain crop and this happen in our time between late March to April. The barley in Israel must reach a certain stage in its ripeness that is called Abib and the next seen sliver of the moon is the beginning of the year. Ex 13, 4
The final problem that I have with Holy Days keepers is the passover. The Jews after the Babylonian exile make up a lie that Holy Day keepers even today do not seem to understand, which make no sense Biblically. Exodus Chapter 12 gives the passover and the Fix Time of Unleavened Bread that had been forgotten. Bread without yeast is flat, so the yeast represent sin. The Jews claim that the passover is a day and it is not. It a supper ceremony that begins the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. This ceremony or supper of roasting and eating a lamb was to be kept until YAHSHUA change it and made a New and final Supper. Matt 26:17-20 This Holy Convocation Day shows the saving power of THE ALMIGHTY ONES, they never was meant for sacrifice or sin. Sacrifices ceremonies was to show that sin causes death and only YAHWHEH’S SON A ELOAH could only die to redeem or buy man back from his fate that the Holy Law required-death! A short presentation of salvation of the Holy Days.
Unleavened Bread – removal of all sin in order to be sealed,
Harvest – the first-fruits (144,000) the final labor of souls,
The Day of Atonement – man’s only sabbath so serious no type of work and to return making a complete u turn to ELOHIM, with man’s heart not just with the mouth, very serious day final sealing process takes place,
The Ingathering – The final ingathering of souls the great multitude.
Blessings!

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236737. Kevin McMillen said in January 10th, 2016

A very good book on the feast days is Ronald L. Dart’s “The Thread, God’s Appointments With History”

You can find it at this link:

http://www.protorah.com/the-thread-by-ronald-l-dart/

For those who believe the feast days are done away I suggest skipping ahead to page 249 to the Appenidix 2 “In Defense of the Holy Days”.

Kevin McMillen
Morgantown, WV
kljcmc@comcast.net

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246331. Scott said in April 21st, 2016

If anyone is interested i self publish a spring to spring Scripture based calendar based on observance of barley ripeness in israel to start the year and projected post-conjunction 1st visible moon crescents (from israel) to start the months. Its a wall calendar and is based on observation rather than computation as the modern jewish calendar is. Therefore it can be a a couple days different than the jewish calendar or some years, a whole month different. I do feast-friendly / calendar friendly commentary in the space above the calendar where the pictures of puppies or mountain vistas usually go 🙂

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