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7283. Steve Billiter said in December 25th, 2012

AGod’s love is only unconditional in that Christ died for the entire world. The LORD does not excuse willful sin and disobedience. I have seen in the past where Robert Wieland and Jack Sequeria have written specious errors that negate the conditions for salvation. Love and courtesy is fine, but it will never take the place of sound doctrine which is a manifestation of God’s love!

2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
The unconditional pardon of sin never has been and never will be. Such pardon would show the abandonment of the principles of righteousness that are the very foundation of the government of God. . . . {CTr 139.4}

But it is not always safe to ask for unconditional healing. Let your prayer include this thought: “Lord, Thou knowest every secret of the soul. Thou art acquainted with these persons; for Jesus, their advocate, gave His life for them. He loves them better than we possibly can. If, therefore, it is for Thy glory and the good of these afflicted ones to raise them up to health, we ask Thee in the name of Jesus, that health may be given them at this time.” In a petition of this kind, no lack of faith is manifested. {CH 375.1}

If there are those who are backslidden, these meetings are for them. There is great danger of the love of the world excluding the love of Jesus. These poor, tempted souls will never find rest and peace until they make a full and unconditional surrender. The requirements of God’s word are positive. “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God will all thy heart, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, and thy neighbor as thyself.” This is the only condition laid down in the word of God upon which we can claim eternal life. The promises of God are ample. The gospel was not given to awaken desires it could not satisfy. “Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” {RH, December 11, 1883 par. 11}

7298. daniel said in December 30th, 2012

Well put, Brother Steve.

8571. Steve Billiter said in September 17th, 2013

I have no pre-concieved opinions or biases to deal with–else I never would have understood Bible salvation. Conversely, those who read Sequeria and Wieland without a solid, working, Bible background can easily be deceived by false gospels such as Sequeria’s and Wieland’s.

No one who is truly converted and trusts in God’s guidance–or even seeking truth and truth only–will not be deceived.

Because of my former Southern Baptist Bible training, I had a good foundation in Biblical soteriology and didn’t fall for false gospels. My Adventist Bible work updated and strengthened these same beliefs.

There is no protection from the wiles of Satan other than,

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

18431. genie99 said in July 26th, 2014

Jesus did not take on the nature of angels but our very fallen nature.Hebrews 2:16 Your review is erroneous.

35848. Debbi said in September 4th, 2014

Is God’s love unconditional? Yes. Are there conditions to eternal life? Again the answer is Yes. Ever heard of a paradox? A paradox are two thought which appear contrary, but are not. The gospel is full of them. “You don’t really live till you first die”; “Buy without money”; “Christ who knew no sin, was made to be our sin”; “a bush burns with fire, but doesn’t burn the bush”; overcome evil with good”… So it is with understanding how “God’s love is unconditional, yet there are conditions.” God loved us when we were yet sinners, we didn’t ask for Him to die for us, we didn’t ask for him to give us His son, we didn’t ask for a plan to redeem us from the depths of eternal death. God did it for you and I wether we wanted it or not, for without it we had no choice but eternal death. All men would have died instantly should Adam and Eve received their death reward when they sinned. But because of grace instantly bestowed upon man the moment he sinned, it this unconditional bestowal of grace given, That’s His unconditional love given to you and I. Though he has given this life to each of us, this this unconditional love stands a waits for a response. We can either choose our sins, or choose to believe in the grace and surrender to it. The conditional of eternal life is surrendering to God’s work in the soul, which takes us from this temporary life which comes from His unconditional love to eternal life. Or we can choose to hang onto our sins, and not believe in the gift of God to you, and thus reject the gift from God’s plan to redeem you, and pay the penalty ourselves. Unconditional love gives us the choice. That’s the gospel paradox of God’s love.

64690. daniel said in October 19th, 2014

Debbi, you write: “God loved us when we were yet sinners,”
The correct word to describe this is not “unconditional”, but “unmerited”.
“Unconditional” would mean that God loves his Son, Jesus, just as much as he does Satan!

101442. Ulaiasi Dauvunau said in December 8th, 2014

 Unconditional love simply mean; NOT to be paid back (it is free) but meant to be received as free GIFT.
• Those that will be lost are those that rejected Jesus and the benefits pertaining to His death 2000 years ago. One of the benefits of the cross is deliverance in His second coming.

103848. daniel said in December 12th, 2014

Ulaiasi, Sorry to see that your definition of “unconditional” is false. I do not doubt your sincerity, as I know many sincere fellow SDA believers who do not understand what “unconditional” means.

259068. gerhardebersoehn said in August 10th, 2016

It is futile to even discuss an illusion like universal or unconditional salvation, or the gross error that Jesus ‘took on our very fallen nature’. It is because Roman Catholicism believes such things that it also can believe heresies like transubstantiation and that Jesus’ soul was left in hell while his flesh underwent corruption in suffering and death.

273380. Ben_Mat said in November 3rd, 2016

Dear Daniel. I took the interest to read all the posts here from the first one posted on June 7, 2009 by Sister in Christ (RT) to the last one posted on August 10, 2016 by gerhardebersoehn.

Now that English is not my mother tongue, I don’t think I would do justice to the english word “unconditional” if I tried to give its definition from my own head. Therefore I will refer to the Oxford Dictionary of English (Thanks to Steve Jobs who included it in my old white macbook).

The Oxford Dictionary of English defines the word “unconditional” in the following simple terms: “NOT SUBJECT TO ANY CONDITIONS” followed by an example which goes like this: “unconditional surrender”.

Good enough the dictionary did not use “unconditional love” to confuse me even more; or perhaps, coming from human perspective is it because there is no such thing as conditional love?

Now to avoid making my post too lengthy, let me end it with a question to you my brother Daniel.

The question goes like this:

I have no doubt that you know and believe from deep within your gut that God loves you! If you believe so, brother Daniel, what conditions did you fulfill before “he loved US first”? And what conditions do you fullfill today brother Daniel, in order to maintain his supply of love to you? If you were to wake up tomorrow morning to find an Invoice from Heaven requesting you to pay God’s “CONDITIONAL love” Would you be able to pay? If so, how would settle your accounts with God?

Thank you so much brother Daniel!

274342. Shireen said in November 8th, 2016

Ben, thank you for taking the time to read all of the comments. I am ‘Sister in Christ (RT)’ who commented in 2009.
The concept of God’s unconditional / conditional love is a paradox which is hard for me to understand.
I view it in the light of all Scripture which says that God is LOVE. We can only love Him because He has first loved us. He so loved the world that He gave His Son so we need not perish. Even when we were enemies of God we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son.I believe that God’s love for us is unconditional, being AGAPE IN NATURE (John 3:16).
But, on the other hand, His friendship with us is CONDITIONAL UPON OUR RESPONSE. Thus Jesus says, “YE ARE MY FRIENDS, IF YE DO WHATSOEVER I COMMAND YOU” (John 15:14). It is a partnership.
With respect.

274871. Shireen said in November 11th, 2016

“A large class to whom the doctrine of eternal torment is revolting are driven to the opposite error. They see that the Scriptures represent God as a being of love and compassion, and they cannot believe that He will consign His creatures to the fires of an eternally burning hell. But holding that the soul is naturally immortal, they see no alternative but to conclude that all mankind will finally be saved. Many regard the threatenings of the Bible as designed merely to frighten men into obedience, and not to be literally fulfilled. Thus the sinner can live in selfish pleasure, disregarding the requirements of God, and yet expect to be finally received into His favor. Such a doctrine, presuming upon God’s mercy, but ignoring His justice, pleases the carnal heart and emboldens the wicked in their iniquity” (Great Controversy, 537).

282058. Hellen Oimbo said in December 19th, 2016

I have followed this discussion with a lot of interest.I have a question though regarding some of the teachings of br Sequeira.That he has denied the existence of obedience to our salvation, he teaches the catholic demonic doctrine of being born sinners and that as human beings we are walking masses of sin. He claims that we are and shall be 100% sinners till Christ comes.What can you comment about that if truly that is what he believes to be true?

284203. daniel said in January 2nd, 2017

I’m sorry Hellen, it has been so long since I read this book by Sequeira, that I cannot answer any of your questions here, but think that he teaches we are not born estranged from God.
I do know that we absolutely are born estranged from God, needing a Saviour. That is standard Christian teaching, and we should not reject it just because Catholics teach it also.

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