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3092. Sister in Christ (RT) said in June 7th, 2009

If light i.e. knowledge has been given to you then you must make every effort to “follow the Lamb wherever he goes.”

If you have not been given light, you cannot choose to go against that light.

God judges our choices. That is why the Bible says the following: “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” Acts 17:30

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3099. Sam said in June 14th, 2009

I know Sequeira’s writings very well and translated many of them into Polish. I preached many sermons all over Poland on the basis of Beyond Belief and I never met any opposition from sincere and honest believers. What you wrote here is not true and you distorted the meaning of the author ideas. If Sequeira wrote that “humans are born right with God” he meant either newborn and converted or all born after cross because on the cross Jesus saved all the world but because it is a historic fact and the gift those people still have to accept this gift. So whatever he wrote he didn’t mean that all will be saved even those who didn’t accept the gift of salvation. And it is obvious that God’s love is “unconditional”. Have you ever read Romans 5 which sais that God loved us when we were His enemies and unconverted sinners. Start reading the Bible first!!!
Segueira’s writings are as important as the 1888 message and the best I have ever read and I know many people in my country (Poland) whose lives are changed after reading the Beyond Belief because this truth (the true Gospel) always leads to sanctification.
Stop discouraging people from reading this wonderful book!
Shame on you!

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3104. daniel said in June 19th, 2009

Sam, your vitrolic against someone with views different from yours explains better than anything that you are very much against unconditional love!

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3285. betterliving4u said in November 8th, 2009

Dear sweet Daniel, you misunderstand Sam. He has no vitriole. He loves you! However, you evidently are offended that someone disagrees with your definition of “unconditional love”. Any intelligent reading of Wieland or Sequeira reveals a definition different from the one that you attribute. Unconditional love is simply a way of expressing the wonderful Gospel truth that God’s love is not caused by our goodness or our badness, but is an indispensable expression of His eternal righteous character. Unconditional love does not equate with unconditional entry into heaven and eternal life. God’s unconditional love does not cease for the sinners at the close of probation or at the end of the millenium. The final erradicaion of the unrepentant will be the greatest heartbreak of the eternal existence of God, in my opinion. If God sheds tears, they will flow like a river when the unrepentant and the fallen angels and Lucifer himself are finally destroyed. Destruction of evil does not mean the end of God’s love. He does not destroy because He ceases to love.
Lest my rambling detract from the main point: unconditional love speaks of the essential truth that God is first last and always the initiator in the relationship with human beings that saves them from destruction. Grace and peace.

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3288. daniel said in November 10th, 2009

betterliving4u, Did you read Sam’s comment? If “start reading the Bible first!!!” and “shame on you!” don’t qualify as “vitrolic”, then i guess our definitions are light-years apart.
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Unconditional love describes Satan better than God, because Satan says “there are no rules”.

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3425. betterliving4u said in December 26th, 2009

Does it not occur to you my brother that love can offer criticism, even in stark terms, such as “shame on you” for turning people away from reading a book that will lead the reader not only to have peace and confidence with God, but also a life committed to holiness. If you argue with pastor Jack from the writing of EGW, the admonition to read “the Bible first” is wholly appropriate in the light of what EGW teaches regarding the primacy of the words of scripture over any other. I pray for you that you will understand the true meaning of “unconditional love” as used by pastors Jack and Robert. It means that God loves us because He is love, not because there is anything we have done or ever will do that causes or convinces or permits Him to love us. It is a horrible misunderstanding of God to believe that He stops loving you because you sin. When you believe this you want to run from God when you have failed, when in fact that is when you must flee TO Him! Grace and peace.

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3472. kenneth said in February 6th, 2010

Praise the Lord brethren.
I wish to observe that we need to study God’s character deeply in light of the cross, then we shall not misunderstand the gospel the way it happens with Daniel Winters. Instead of teaching people what he thinks is the gospel, he spends precious time on criticism. This is the kind of spirit which led the adventist church into the Laodecean state.
Bro. Winter, you may quote many texts and spirit of prophecy, but when the gospel in its true form has not won your heart you will continue struggling endlessly to be good, and eternal peace and victory that the saints will enjoy is going to bypass.
Bro.Winter, I want to assure you that you have terrible opposed the true light of the gospel. It is a repeat of 1888 when Uriah Smith and others opposed the gospel, and Sis. White greatly rebuked them, have you read that?

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3478. betterliving4u said in February 9th, 2010

“love’s requirements of obedience and service”. I’m not an English major, but “unconditional” and “requirements” are opposites aren’t they?
Friend, you might have done well to take an English major -:) To say that God’s love is unconditional does not mean that a love relationship with God does not require reciprocal commitments. The proof that God’s love is unconditional is that ‘while we were still enemies of God, Christ died for us’ If God’s love were conditional, He would have died only for people who first loved Him. God, in Christ is the initiator of love. He is the source and definer of love. He is love. To suggest that God’s love is not unconditional is inconcievable!—unless one is a legalist who believes that obedience can in any sense earn God’s love.

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3480. daniel said in February 9th, 2010

kenneth, do you believe in “unconditional love”?
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betterliving4u, You are trying to have it both ways - God’s love being unconditional, and also conditional. Is this possible? Yes, praise God he loved us first, and that while we still were his enemies! But, does that mean he keeps loving us “no matter what you do” as the term “unconditional” means? If God loves everyone no matter what they do, then there is no way he can assign some to the fire, and some he take to heaven. The end result of unconditional love teaching is that of universalism, which the Holy Spirit showed Ellen White would be one of the signs of the last days.

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3486. betterliving4u said in February 10th, 2010

God loves you simply because he has chosen to do so.
loves you when you don’t feel lovely.He loves you when no one else loves you. Others may abandon you, divorce you,and ignore you, but God will love you. Always. No matter what.
This is his sentiment: “I’ll call nobodies and make them some-bodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved” (Rom. 9:25 MSG) This is his promise: “I have loved you, my people, with an everlasting love. With unfailing love I have drawn you to myself” Jer. 31:3 NLT

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3493. daniel said in February 12th, 2010

Does God love Satan now? If so, then we must love him too.
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But the Bible says to “flee from the devil”.

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3549. betterliving4u said in March 19th, 2010

God’s relationship to Satan is not the subject of the Bible, and is not included in the Gospel. We really cannot comment on how God “feels” about Satan. We do know that Satan is an implacable enemy of our great adn good God, and indeed we are warned to “flee” from him. What we do know is that the destruction of the unrepentant will be a “strange” act for God. Destruction of the unrepentant is assured. Yet we cannot conclude that God does not love the unrepentant. Christ died the Second Death for “all men”. What He suffered is what sinners deserve to suffer, and while He was God’s “beloved Son”, God turned away from Him as He hung on the cross, “why hast thou forsaken me?” The great understatement in all of scripture is when God says, “I take no delight in the death of the wicked.”

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3555. daniel said in March 22nd, 2010

“Destruction of the unrepentant is assured. Yet we cannot conclude that God does not love the unrepentant.”
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That’s what the Bible says, so i will believe it. And yes, the Bible also does talk about the relationship of God to Satan - please read Matthew 4 etc.
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The Great Controversy is specifically between Christ and his angels, and Satan and his angels, so we can know very well what is the relationship of God to Satan, thus showing what our relationship to Satan should be.

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4203. Steve Billiter said in August 2nd, 2010

Hi Daniel,

Thank you for you excellent review of Beyond Belief. Sadly, my local church here in Reno NV is thoroughly corrupted with the influence of Jack Sequeria, and of that concerning the 1888 MSC. These purveyors of a false gospel are involved in just about every conceivable sin concerning Sabbathbreaking and this false gospel.

Universal Justification is only one of the major errors these deceived individuals teach which says the whole world is justified and reconciled at the cross.

Sequeria’s errors are multiple, as are Robert Wieland’s, to include an across the board denial of Ellen White by Sequeria, and a twisting of her words by Wieland, Short, and their whole organization.

“Let the purveyors of falsehood and distortion be assured that we will continue to respond until every false gospel in Adventism is vanquished, and until our precious church is united at last on the unambiguous platform of inspired truth”(Pastor Kevin Paulson; “More than a Shade of Difference: The Tragedy of the 1888 MSC:” p. 15).

http://www.hopeint.org/off1997.htm
Click on January’s edition, and scroll down to Pastor Kevin’s article.

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