Beyond Belief by Jack Sequeira (1993)
Response to Robert Wieland’s “Is Beyond Belief Beyond Belief?”
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Reviewed 2003/09/25
“Beyond Belief” by Jack Sequeira passed mostly under my radar screen from the publishing date of 1993 until the translation into Japanese came out in Spring, 2003. There are many different voices proclaiming different things, and being in Japan places me largely out of the loop of new developments in our Seventh-day Adventist church. When the translation came out in Japanese i eagerly began to read the book. There is such a dearth of good material in Japanese for SDAs, and the level of spirituality of members here is so low, any book that offers advice for God’s remnant people is a valued prize. Unfortunately, this book is not a prize to lead to heaven.
I wrote an article in Japanese regarding this book on June 29, 2003, and placed it on the web on my former web site. There may be some minor things lost in the translation, but receiving this critique book in English prepared by Robert Wieland and the Editorial Committee of the 1888 Message Study Committee, shows that the main points were translated faithfully. So here i will deal mostly with Wieland’s critique book.
While many excellent things are written in Jack Sequeira’s book, there are 2 major problems with it:
1. Is God’s love really “unconditional”? – No
2. Are humans really born “right with God”? – No
These 2 major problems need to be kept in mind as we review “Is Beyond Belief Beyond Belief?”
The first doctrinal error we find in this book is on page 15: “…in His incarnation Christ took the fallen, sinful nature which we all share…”. Signs of the Times 04/04/1895: “It is impossible for man in his own unaided strength to overcome the natural propensities to evil.” 1RED p.9: “God made man perfect and upright, and after his transgression there could be no sacrifice acceptable to God for him, unless the offering made should in value be superior to man as he was while in his state of perfection and innocency.” 1RED p.10 (talking of Jesus): “He was of as much more value than man, as his noble, spotless character, and exalted office, as commander of all the heavenly host, were above the work of man. He was in the express image of his Father, not in features alone, but in perfection of character. As he was without blemish, he alone could become an acceptable offering for man.” Testimonies to the Church #17 p.2: “He is a brother in our infirmities, but not possessing like passions. As the sinless One his nature recoiled from evil. He endured struggles, and torture of soul. in a world of sin. His humanity made prayer a necessity, and privilege. He required all the stronger divine support and comfort which his Father was ready to impart to his Son, who had left the joys of Heaven, chose his home, for the benefit of man, in a cold and thankless world.”
It is plain that while Jesus condescended to become a man to save us, he did not partake of sin in the least. Those who want to have Jesus become a man with inborn sinful desires and wishes, are perhaps unknowingly placing themselves as a “possible Saviour”. The fact is, is that no matter how good any of us are, even if we never commit any known sin our whole lives, we still need a Saviour – Jesus Christ. Only he can redeem us. He is the union of divinity and humanity, something none of us will ever be able to claim. Only God can know the full pain of giving up immortality, and suffering the second death for a race of rebels. What love!
Which brings us to the next big problem with this book, and is in fact the biggest problem – love. Is God’s love unconditional as Jack Sequeira and Robert Wieland say?
On page 16 of this book Br. Wieland writes: “Of course God’s love for the sinner is unconditional!” And on the next page he writes in italics: “This is the key issue here.” True. So let’s study if God’s love is really unconditional or not. Actually, Br. Wieland answers the question himself in the next paragraph where he writes: “love’s requirements of obedience and service”. I’m not an English major, but “unconditional” and “requirements” are opposites aren’t they? If in war, a country asks for unconditional surrender, and the other country lists requirements, they are not seeing eye to eye are they? If i give the keys to my car to my son with no conditions, and then tell him to do this and that with his driving, am i not speaking out of both sides of my mouth?
Granted, it gives a nice, fuzzy warm feeling to think that while our love falls short, God’s love is perfect and therefore unconditional. While being perfect, God’s love does not cover those who will be lost. His love will destroy them “root and branch”. If it were unconditional, he would be forced to save everyone at the end, including Satan. Actually, i have had this email conversation with someone: “If God’s love is unconditional, then if Satan repented now, he would be accepted back into heaven.” “Of course” was the reply. This is the end result of this thinking – God’s love is unconditional. It is Universalism under a different name.
If “God’s love is unconditional” were applied only to the sinner who wants to repent and come to Christ – then that is perfectly correct – hallelujah! We have a Saviour who has his hand stretched out. No matter how bad we’ve been, no matter how many times we’ve hurt him and ourselves, he is willing to forgive and forget. This period of mercy lasts as long as Jesus is ministering in the Most Holy Place above. Soon Jesus will say: “It is finished!”, the wings of mercy will take flight, and (1858GC chap.35): “there is nothing to stay the wrath of God, and it breaks with fury upon the shelterless head of the guilty sinner, who has slighted salvation, and hated reproof.”
Many people who push the “unconditional love” theory try to say that the Greek word “agape” means unconditional love. In the New Testament “agape” the noun, and “agapao” the verb are used 116 and 142 times respectively. There are 3 meanings:
1. benevolence, love, affection, to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly
2. to be well pleased, to be contented at or with a thing
3. love feasts
If this means only God’s perfect love, then why does it also refer to bad love – such as love of this world etc.?
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
2 Timothy 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
So we see that neither “agape” nor any other word in the Bible has the meaning of unconditional love. That concept is totally foreign to the teaching of the Bible. Everlasting love – yes; Unbreakable love – yes; Unchangeable love – yes; Stronger than death love – yes, Praise God!; Unconditional love – not in the Bible.
Much in this book, and Br. Sequeira’s book, is good. But having 99% truth, and 1% poison, is a sure way to swallow a deadly lie. Br. Wieland writes that: “Sequeira teaches that what Christ accomplished for the entire human race can be resisted and rejected by the sinner.” But you have already stated that Christ’s love is “unconditional”. So he must save them anyway according to the meaning of the word “unconditional”.
Actually, there is another lurking error in this same paragraph on page 64. Br. Sequeira teaches that everyone was saved at the cross, and only those who willingly reject this “unconditional love” will be lost. But what about those millions of people who lived all their lives without ever hearing the name “Jesus Christ”? According to this logic, they must all be saved because they did not “reject” Jesus.
Yes, the plan of salvation was laid and carried out without our input or consent. In that sense it can be called “unconditional”. “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son…” 1858GC chap.5: “But I saw that if there had been but two who would have accepted Jesus as the Son of God, to believe in him to the saving of their souls, he would have carried out the plan.”
Some Bible quotes that refute “unconditional love” showing that God hates sometimes too:
Psalms 5:5 “The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.”
Psalms 11:5 “The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”
2Samuel 2:30 “…for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.”
Hosea 9:15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.”
Some Bible quotes that refute “unconditional love” showing that God has conditions:
2 Corinthians16~18 “And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
Jeremiah 7:23 “But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.”
God experiences anger too:
Deuteronomy 32:22 “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.”
2 Chronicles 19:1 “And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem. And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.”
Revelation 14:10 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”
But praise the Lord his anger is not his main attribute!!
Deuteronomy 7:9 “Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.”
Psalms 57:10 “For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds.”
Joel 2:13 “And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.”
On page 78 Br. Wieland writes on grace: “Only those who resist it can be lost”, and gives Steps to Christ p. 27 as the quote. But in looking at this page, these words are not to be found. What is found is: “…But whenever they make an effort to reform, from a sincere desire to do right….The sinner may resist this love, may refuse to be drawn to Christ; but if he does not resist he will be drawn to Jesus; a knowledge of the plan of salvation will lead him to the foot of the cross in repentance for his sins, which have caused the sufferings of God’s dear Son.” It is seen from the chapter title “Repentance”, that it is talking about those who are making an effort to know about Jesus, to do right. To apply that to the whole human race is quite a leap of logic.
As an example, the husband of the house where i live here in Japan died 2 days ago. Many times he heard me listening to the Japanese Bible on cassette, and listened to my invitations to study the Bible. But he wasn’t interested. It’s not so much that he resisted the invitation, he was happy with his lifestyle the way it was. Even tho he made no effort to reform, if “Only those who resist it can be lost”, then this man will be in heaven. If heaven is full of unreformed alcoholics like he was, then i will pass. And if i have some cherished sin, i’m sure noone else would want to be around me in heaven either.
An effort must be made to be saved – 1858GC chap.35: “The last note of warning had been given. When the saints, and all heaven were interested for their salvation, they had no interest for themselves. Life and death had been set before them. Many desired life; but did not make any effort to obtain it. They did not choose life, and now there was no atoning blood to cleanse the sinner. No compassionate Saviour to plead for them, and cry, Spare, spare the sinner a little longer. All heaven had united with Jesus, as they heard the fearful words, It is done, It is finished. The plan of salvation had been accomplished. But few had chosen to accept the plan. And as mercy’s sweet voice died away, a fearfulness and horror seized them. With terrible distinctness they hear, Too late! too late!”
Not only do non-Christians have to make an effort in order to be saved, those who are Christians, yes, even Seventh-day Adventists have to make an effort. 1858 GC chap.32: “I saw the angels of God hasten to the assistance of all those who were struggling with all their energies to resist those evil angels, and trying to help themselves by calling upon God with perseverance. But the angels left those who made no effort to help themselves, and I lost sight of them.”
On page 80 of this book Br. Wieland writes: “The ultimate test that must come to Seventh-day Adventists is whether they will accept the fourth angel’s message to complete the third angel’s message.” This again is why i stress the importance of the original 1858 Great Controversy. It clearly shows what the final test is for Seventh-day Adventists in chapter 32 “The Shaking”: “I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen. I was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the true Witness to the Laodiceans. It will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver of the testimony, and it will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. This straight testimony some will not bear. They will rise up against it, and this will cause a shaking among God’s people.” This is the ultimate test. Will we accept the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the true Witness to the Laodiceans? Are we willing to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth? Or would we rather believe that if we just don’t resist grace, then we will go to heaven? Which is easier? Which sermon would tickle our ears better?
To summarize, there are many good things in this book. We need to uphold Jesus Christ, and show his amazing love, love big enough to save everyone, to everyone. At the same time, we reject the idea that God ‘s love is unconditional. We realize that there must be effort, diligent effort, to “follow the Lamb wherever he goes.”
Daniel Winters
If light i.e. knowledge has been given to you then you must make every effort to “follow the Lamb wherever he goes.”
If you have not been given light, you cannot choose to go against that light.
God judges our choices. That is why the Bible says the following: “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” Acts 17:30
I know Sequeira’s writings very well and translated many of them into Polish. I preached many sermons all over Poland on the basis of Beyond Belief and I never met any opposition from sincere and honest believers. What you wrote here is not true and you distorted the meaning of the author ideas. If Sequeira wrote that “humans are born right with God” he meant either newborn and converted or all born after cross because on the cross Jesus saved all the world but because it is a historic fact and the gift those people still have to accept this gift. So whatever he wrote he didn’t mean that all will be saved even those who didn’t accept the gift of salvation. And it is obvious that God’s love is “unconditional”. Have you ever read Romans 5 which sais that God loved us when we were His enemies and unconverted sinners. Start reading the Bible first!!!
Segueira’s writings are as important as the 1888 message and the best I have ever read and I know many people in my country (Poland) whose lives are changed after reading the Beyond Belief because this truth (the true Gospel) always leads to sanctification.
Stop discouraging people from reading this wonderful book!
Shame on you!
Sam, your vitrolic against someone with views different from yours explains better than anything that you are very much against unconditional love!
Dear sweet Daniel, you misunderstand Sam. He has no vitriole. He loves you! However, you evidently are offended that someone disagrees with your definition of “unconditional love”. Any intelligent reading of Wieland or Sequeira reveals a definition different from the one that you attribute. Unconditional love is simply a way of expressing the wonderful Gospel truth that God’s love is not caused by our goodness or our badness, but is an indispensable expression of His eternal righteous character. Unconditional love does not equate with unconditional entry into heaven and eternal life. God’s unconditional love does not cease for the sinners at the close of probation or at the end of the millenium. The final erradicaion of the unrepentant will be the greatest heartbreak of the eternal existence of God, in my opinion. If God sheds tears, they will flow like a river when the unrepentant and the fallen angels and Lucifer himself are finally destroyed. Destruction of evil does not mean the end of God’s love. He does not destroy because He ceases to love.
Lest my rambling detract from the main point: unconditional love speaks of the essential truth that God is first last and always the initiator in the relationship with human beings that saves them from destruction. Grace and peace.
betterliving4u, Did you read Sam’s comment? If “start reading the Bible first!!!” and “shame on you!” don’t qualify as “vitrolic”, then i guess our definitions are light-years apart.
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Unconditional love describes Satan better than God, because Satan says “there are no rules”.
Does it not occur to you my brother that love can offer criticism, even in stark terms, such as “shame on you” for turning people away from reading a book that will lead the reader not only to have peace and confidence with God, but also a life committed to holiness. If you argue with pastor Jack from the writing of EGW, the admonition to read “the Bible first” is wholly appropriate in the light of what EGW teaches regarding the primacy of the words of scripture over any other. I pray for you that you will understand the true meaning of “unconditional love” as used by pastors Jack and Robert. It means that God loves us because He is love, not because there is anything we have done or ever will do that causes or convinces or permits Him to love us. It is a horrible misunderstanding of God to believe that He stops loving you because you sin. When you believe this you want to run from God when you have failed, when in fact that is when you must flee TO Him! Grace and peace.
Praise the Lord brethren.
I wish to observe that we need to study God’s character deeply in light of the cross, then we shall not misunderstand the gospel the way it happens with Daniel Winters. Instead of teaching people what he thinks is the gospel, he spends precious time on criticism. This is the kind of spirit which led the adventist church into the Laodecean state.
Bro. Winter, you may quote many texts and spirit of prophecy, but when the gospel in its true form has not won your heart you will continue struggling endlessly to be good, and eternal peace and victory that the saints will enjoy is going to bypass.
Bro.Winter, I want to assure you that you have terrible opposed the true light of the gospel. It is a repeat of 1888 when Uriah Smith and others opposed the gospel, and Sis. White greatly rebuked them, have you read that?
“love’s requirements of obedience and service”. I’m not an English major, but “unconditional” and “requirements” are opposites aren’t they?
Friend, you might have done well to take an English major -:) To say that God’s love is unconditional does not mean that a love relationship with God does not require reciprocal commitments. The proof that God’s love is unconditional is that ‘while we were still enemies of God, Christ died for us’ If God’s love were conditional, He would have died only for people who first loved Him. God, in Christ is the initiator of love. He is the source and definer of love. He is love. To suggest that God’s love is not unconditional is inconcievable!—unless one is a legalist who believes that obedience can in any sense earn God’s love.
kenneth, do you believe in “unconditional love”?
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betterliving4u, You are trying to have it both ways – God’s love being unconditional, and also conditional. Is this possible? Yes, praise God he loved us first, and that while we still were his enemies! But, does that mean he keeps loving us “no matter what you do” as the term “unconditional” means? If God loves everyone no matter what they do, then there is no way he can assign some to the fire, and some he take to heaven. The end result of unconditional love teaching is that of universalism, which the Holy Spirit showed Ellen White would be one of the signs of the last days.
God loves you simply because he has chosen to do so.
loves you when you don’t feel lovely.He loves you when no one else loves you. Others may abandon you, divorce you,and ignore you, but God will love you. Always. No matter what.
This is his sentiment: “I’ll call nobodies and make them some-bodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved” (Rom. 9:25 MSG) This is his promise: “I have loved you, my people, with an everlasting love. With unfailing love I have drawn you to myself” Jer. 31:3 NLT
Does God love Satan now? If so, then we must love him too.
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But the Bible says to “flee from the devil”.
God’s relationship to Satan is not the subject of the Bible, and is not included in the Gospel. We really cannot comment on how God “feels” about Satan. We do know that Satan is an implacable enemy of our great adn good God, and indeed we are warned to “flee” from him. What we do know is that the destruction of the unrepentant will be a “strange” act for God. Destruction of the unrepentant is assured. Yet we cannot conclude that God does not love the unrepentant. Christ died the Second Death for “all men”. What He suffered is what sinners deserve to suffer, and while He was God’s “beloved Son”, God turned away from Him as He hung on the cross, “why hast thou forsaken me?” The great understatement in all of scripture is when God says, “I take no delight in the death of the wicked.”
“Destruction of the unrepentant is assured. Yet we cannot conclude that God does not love the unrepentant.”
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That’s what the Bible says, so i will believe it. And yes, the Bible also does talk about the relationship of God to Satan – please read Matthew 4 etc.
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The Great Controversy is specifically between Christ and his angels, and Satan and his angels, so we can know very well what is the relationship of God to Satan, thus showing what our relationship to Satan should be.
Hi Daniel,
Thank you for you excellent review of Beyond Belief. Sadly, my local church here in Reno NV is thoroughly corrupted with the influence of Jack Sequeria, and of that concerning the 1888 MSC. These purveyors of a false gospel are involved in just about every conceivable sin concerning Sabbathbreaking and this false gospel.
Universal Justification is only one of the major errors these deceived individuals teach which says the whole world is justified and reconciled at the cross.
Sequeria’s errors are multiple, as are Robert Wieland’s, to include an across the board denial of Ellen White by Sequeria, and a twisting of her words by Wieland, Short, and their whole organization.
“Let the purveyors of falsehood and distortion be assured that we will continue to respond until every false gospel in Adventism is vanquished, and until our precious church is united at last on the unambiguous platform of inspired truth”(Pastor Kevin Paulson; “More than a Shade of Difference: The Tragedy of the 1888 MSC:” p. 15).
http://www.hopeint.org/off1997.htm
Click on January’s edition, and scroll down to Pastor Kevin’s article.
Sequira’s writings are from the very pits of Hell, it is sad that less than one percent of our church is studying to see this, and anyone propagating His message is preaching the 3 unclean spirits message of Rev.16:13, 14 and is a shame to heaven.
Daniel,Jude an Steve, i first advise you 2 read sequeira’s books prayerfully without any preconceived idea.
Sequeira’s theology is the present truth that the world need to hear.
personnally God used this Servent of his,2 Bless my life.now i have the assurance of savation and at the same time enjoying the transforming power of the hollyspirit that lead me to obey God’s commandements.
Bretheren,i can confess that God raised this old man ,so that as a united church,the world may hear from the adventis church the loud cry ,that christ is our righteoussness.
please,stop repeating the same mistakes that the bretheren in 1888 has commited,and the result is that we are wonderer more than 100 years needlessly in this crazy World.
Be blessed !!!!!!!!
i mean wanderer,not wonderer as i wrote in my comment(sorry 4r the mistake)
There no question that God loves sinners, else none of us would have any hope whatsoever. It is a mistake, however, to conflate unconditional love with unconditional salvation (universalism.)
To claim that all humanity was saved at the cross is to throw out EGW’s clear statements on the conditional nature of salvation. And, no, the condition is not the absence of overt rejection of salvation. The condition is repentance. We must come to believe that Jesus loves us and, as a result of that belief, repent of our rebellion against Him and let Him into our hearts. This is what it means to believe. Then, and only then, does He save us.
Salvation is an inside job, not an outside one.
ishimwe, Jack Sequeira is promoting old error – the error of universalism, so we must expose this error for what it is. You see, Satan is very angry with the 1888 message, as he knows it will bring the Latter Rain if fully received. So he raises up peope to try and piggyback their errors onto this wonderful truth message of Christ our Righteousness, to get people to reject the truth.
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karl, i don’t know if you read the all the post and comments or not, but it is clear from the Bible that God does NOT love some people (Hosea 9:15 etc). While there is hope for our salvation, he will do everything to save us, but he “abhors” the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. Yes, this doctrine of unconditional love does lead directly into universalism.
You are really out in the woods. Pastor Sequeira does NOT teach Universalism. He has said over and over that man has a choice and if he doesn’t choose Christ, he will be lost. You must have preconceived ideas and that makes you think that Sequeira says what he doesn’t say. You really have a big problem with yourself.
If God doesn’t love everybody, can you tell me who He doesn’t love. What sin does a person have to commit in order to make God hate him? Is not hatred from Satan? God hates sin, but not sinners.
I don’t know what God can do to change your head. You really need a change. I feel sorry for you.
Hello Stina from Sweden,
Your post clearly shows the spirit of what i’ve seen from most of the “unconditional love” believers.
Hello everyone,thanks for the insightful comments.I will try to read the Bible to verify your comments against the Bible.God bless everyone.
Thanks everyone for reading Beyond Belief with great interest.Thanx for your comments positive or negative.We are all in the classroom of the ideal teacher,Jesus Christ.One discussion group leader in the class,Jack Sequira has been accorded rare grace to comprehend what it will take his peers decades to understand.
Jesus took the sinful nature of man upon himself.That is why he came via a human family.DO you know the geneology of Jesus in detail?How could His death purge iniquity that He didn’t take up in the first place?What business did He have in the womb of the virgin Mary if not to take up the sin of mankind?
God loves the sinner unconditionally.Read how the sin of Ephraim is written down but still birth pains hurt Christ who wants to give him new sinless birth..Hosea 12:12,13.
Hello Philip, How can a man who is teaching one of the oldest errors of Satan “God loves you no matter what you do”, been accorded rare grace by God? Is God spreading error in these last days to try and overthrow the faith of his remnant people?
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Perhaps Jack Sequeira is a very affable man, i do not know. But it doesn’t matter how friendly or nice or sincere he seems to be, he is teaching error to put us Laodiceans into a deeper sleep, as his doctrine leads directly to the idea that everyone will be saved.
Hello Daniel.Thanks for your zeal for the word of God.However, go easy on Sequeira like Gamaliel did on Paul.Ultimately Paul was flogged as the offense of the cross demands but he is still right to date.May my appeal to you come softly like the dream and counsel of Pilate’s wife concerning ‘this man Jesus’
Your problem is Sequeira’s teaching of unconditional love..love that is selfless,changeless and conditionless. Daniel, I know God loves you but what condition have you fulfilled to deserve His love? When you are still a sinner, a living sinner,God’s grace , undeserved love still flows to you, He still stands at the door and knocks. But when you die in that state of unbelief, Sequeira says clearly, the blood of Jesus does not cover unbelief..willful, persistent and ultimate unbelief.
To the living who still sin, God loves them unconditionally. But to the dead who fall asleep in ‘ultimate obstinacy’ this message of unconditional love does not apply.Sequeira is addressing the living NOT the dead.
About Christ taking sinful nature at birth I refer you to read about the sacrificial lamb in Leviticus. When a sinner confessed his sin, he held the head of the ‘lamb without blemish’. The time the lamb was being slaughtered and its blood flowed , it was now sinful blood not blood without blemish.When its flesh burned on the altar and the smoke ascended to heaven , God was pleased because it was the smoke and smell of sin burning or getting destroyed.This was why the sinner walked away fogiven.
His sin had flowed to the ground in the blood of an animal initially without blemish.Likewise ,when Jesus descended from heaven, He was ‘a lamb without blemish’ but nine months of gestation confessed our sins on his head.That is why God accepts His death ,the flow of His blood,as our own.That is why you and I stand forgiven.God put us to death in Christ.Our sinful life(blood) flowed at the cross.We have been punished in Christ.
However ,Christ carried our sinful nature out of obedience unlike us who bore it out of disobedience.He obeyed God and took up this nature.This is what qualified Him for resurrection. He could have died for His sin or could have needed a savior also.God bless you.
What example did Jesus Himself give? The prodigal son. Was there any condition/requirement from his father? NO. Instead the Father accepted him. Dirty he was, but the father KISSED him! clothed him, gave a ring, gave him shoes, threw a party for his lost son! Our Father in heaven has not put strings to our salvation; He says ‘come home son’. After this he will fill us with the Holy spirit who shall teach us all this things. When He gives rain does He segregate? and sunshine?…… His Love has no strings; it freely flows. The ONLY CONDITION FROM OUR SIDE IS TO ACCEPT HIS LOVE. BUT FROM HIS SIDE IT FREELY FLOWS just like water from a spring-does it have condition to flow out so that you can drink from it? NO! Rather its you to accept its providence and your thirst shall be quenched.
Another thing is that our debt has already been paid by Jesus- we only need to accept this. We are like a guilt and convicted life-jailed prisoner whose sentence has been substituted with a very large fine. What if he chooses to remain in prison (the debt remain paid)and if he accepts the gift and get out? he is free. Yes we are all naturally born sinners but spiritually our debt has already been paid! We have justification which comes by faith. I don’t Know if Faith is a condition but what I know is that it is not God who is to be faithful but us (our side of the coin)
My born-sinner friend whether you accept this or not, He still LOVES YOU and He is still calling you-TELL THE WORLD THIS TRUTH
Josephat, i met a man in America last year who was very zealous for God in a humble way. He wrote on his web page about God’s “unconditional love”. When i pointed out to him that this was error, his first reaction was to be angry, then to be reflective, and then to be joyous because he found a word that described what he believed much, much better. Which word? UNMERITED.
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God’s love is unmerited. There is nothing we can do or have to earn that love. It flows out freely from him. But we can choose to reject it, and continual rejection will eventually cause a withdrawal of that love, as Hosea 9:15 clearly shows. Of course the Lake of Fire shows that clearly too.
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This is a major point, because if God really does love you no matter what you do, then that means he loves Satan now, and of course “unconditional” means that there can be no degrees in that, so the doctrine of unconditional love of God is saying that God the Father loves Satan now just as much as he loves his only begotten son – Jesus Christ.
Hi Daniel,
Why on earth are you obsessed with the idea that unconditional love implies God loves even Satan?Why do you keep putting obscenities and blasphemy in other people’s mouths? Unconditional love only applies to the living on this side of eternity.Satan has long crossed his deadline for salvation.You do not know how many years of grace Lucifer and the followers squandered in heaven before being hurled to the world of the dead.That same deadline is also coming for obstinate humanity when God will hurl them away from His presence never to waste His precious and unconditional love again.
Philip, you denounce “unconditional love” in stronger terms than i have used!
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Yet you do this with the idea of supporting this erroneous doctrine?
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Please research what “unconditional” means, and then apply it to this case correctly, not only in situations where you think it fits, while leaving out other situations, because that does injustice to the word “unconditional”.
Bro. Daniel,
I am sorry you have misunderstood and misrepresented Elders Sequiera and Wieland.
Though each of us human beings have our uniqueness and complexity, and no one can truly claim accurately that they know another, yet we can know one another enough to trust and believe that we are not being misled. I am from a non-Adventist and non-Christian background. Ever since I joined the Adventist Church about 40 years ago, I have interacted with many Adventist and the larger Christian authors. The two authors – Sequiera and Wieland have a unique voice. You have misunderstood what they stand for and zealously preach. I can testify I have read both extensively and some of their books thoroughly as if searching for gold. They do not teach what you seem to allegedly purport to say as heretical. I don’t know whether suggesting that you read my book, THE GOD YOU CANNOT IGNORE, may disabuse your confusion and that of many Adventists. It is a laymanly exposition of the Gospel based on John 3:16. Try it and read reflectively and see if there may any better understanding on the unconditionalness of God’s love and His plan of redemption. Your brother in Him who taught us love and commanded us to love one another, Naphtali
Daniel, the devil is working hard to blind you, so that u cannot understand the “unconditional love of God”, anyone who the holy spirit has revealed this amazing truth, can understand you- you are trying to understand God’s unconditional love through your Human understanding of the word “love”, none can blame you, I had the same problem like you, but I thank the Holy Spirit, for he revealed to me this marvelous truth.
You asked If God still love Satan? My answer to that is yes. You can ask me, how come he will be destroyed at the end of time? It is still because Gods love is unconditional. U see, choosing to live independently from God, it Is to choose a life of misery and Gods unconditional love cannot allow to see his beloved creature suffering, the only better solution is to destroy them than to allow them to live in misery. In another word, destruction is another gift from God but a gift that our nature cannot consider as good gift, but in reality, it is good because its source (God) is good.
My advice for you dear brother in Christ, is that you can stop to invent things that Sequeira has never teach. I’ve read a lot of books of him, nowhere Sequeira teach Universalism, nowhere, please stop lying!!
My prayer is that the Holy Spirit may open your eyes and the eyes of many fellows Adventist, so that you can understand this amazing AGAPE.
GOD BLESS U!!!
nmakora and Ishimwe,
Your passion for your subject shines thru loud and clear 🙂
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I can assure you that i have not misrepresented the main message in Br. Sequeira’s book, and the support of that from Br. Wieland. I have had direct contact with Br. Wieland, and that is what he believes/d. Of course Br. Sequeira shows those statements clearly in his “Beyond Belief” book. Did you not read the book or my post here where i quote that he says “this is the key issue here”? Yes, he is correct, this is the key issue here. This is why i am doing what i can to overthrow that error, to help save souls from destruction by “philosophy and vain deceit”.
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Ishimwe, your rabid denunciation of me, even calling me a liar, is common evidence i see from those who believe in “unconditional love”. They are very hateful to any who does not believe in their “unconditinal love” doctrine.
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God loves us so much he will destroy us? This sounds like a sound bite for what persecutors of God’s true people have said all thru history – “We love you but since you don’t follow our ways we will kill you for your own good”. Please reflect on what you are saying, Brother.
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Also, please read my entire post so that you will learn that “agape” is a bad love sometimes.
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The Bible says that God hates some people. Why is it so hard to accept that?
Br Daniel, my prayers are one you, you don’t know that it is the devil who is using you to destroy the work that God is doing among his people through Sequeira, only the Holy Spirit can reveal you the destructive work you are doing.
i repeat it to you, God is Agape, his love can not allow to see his creature living forever in misery.
brother, you say it well, it is hard for me to accept that God hates some people because the God i pray is Love. God’s Agape love is unconditional. It is spontaneous and uncaused. It is not dependent on our goodness. Therefore, God is able to love sinners and even His enemies—Romans 5:6-10. God’s love is is self-emptying, God is willing to step down for the benefit of others, even His enemies—Phil. 2:6-8; Romans 5:7 vs. 8. This was the great revelation of Agape at the cross of Christ—2 Corinthians 8:9.
may the Holy Spirit give you understanding !!! Amen!!
Yes,while we were yet sinners, His enemies, Christ died for us.HE loved the sinners [His enemies] to the extent of dying for them.
For God so loved the [sinful] world that He sent His only Son….. Daniel please and I believe you are not alone in your interpretation of God’s word, read more widely and understand both the letter and the spirit of God’s word.But thank you for your interest in the Gospel.Those who seek the truth ,it shall be revealed to them.
Daniel, I see where you’re coming from. You mentioned that God’s love is unmerited. Of a surety, yes it is. But you deny that it is unconditional. Do you mean to tell me that God has hate in his heart for some of his creatures? (Your passage from Hosea and other places in the Bible have been quoted out of context. The Bible teaches that God hates sin, obviously because it stands against everything He is, and this is illustrated as directed to the person who cherishes it.) But he cannot hate the sinner. His love for him, no matter how much he rejects Him, will not stop, unless that person is sin itself, which is impossible. Pr Sequeira, I believe, has studied the Bible prayerfully and God has blessed him with much light that he willingly shares. I advice you to look into his other writings with an open mind.
The Bible is clear that God is love. He is the very embodiment of love. He loves freely as you said, but he also does so regardless of your constant rejection of Him. This does by no means keep Him from administering justice (which involves his “strange” work of destruction). Justice is still passed on to the person He has pleaded to turn from his wicked ways, but still loves. Just like a father may be compelled to give his rebellious son over to the jailer, even though he loves him.
I would appreciate a response on this. May God guide you.
Hosea 9:15 “All their wickedness [is] in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes [are] revolters.”
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Please explain how i am taking this out of context. The clear words of God are “I will love them no more”. Notice that it is NOT talking about not loving their actions anymore, but not loving THEM anymore.
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The doctrine of unconditional love does definitely lead to universalism, there is no way around it.
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In the future people will rightly attack us Seventh-day Adventists on this point, as we say God will burn some up, and take others to heaven, but he loves them all the same.
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It is very true that “God is love”. It is also true that “God is a consuming fire”. Using the same logic as the unconditional love believers use, that means that we should believe in “unconditional fire”.
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Please think deeper about this subject, praying for the Holy Spirit’s guidance.
You state that God doesn’t love certain people (anymore, if he did originally). So basically you are saying that God instructs us to do something he himself doesn’t do? Luke 6:27 – “But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you…” In other words, you would have us believe that God says “do as I say, not as I do.” I’m convinced that this is just one more devastating and misleading counterpart of legalism which says, “do your best and Jesus does the rest”. I believe SDAs have more to fear from people attacking them for their false gospel rather than for claiming God’s love is unconditional. Where people spend eternity (dead or alive)has absolutely NOTHING to do with God’s love for them. God’s love sent Jesus to redeem everyone of them. His love wants everyone to be with him for eternity, but it’s also his love that gives everyone of them a choice as whether to respond to that love or reject it.
All interpretation of Scripture must be based on the one premise that GOD IS LOVE, including the texts that talk about God’s “hatred” and “wrath”. If that is done, the only conclusion one can come to is that God’s love is unconditional. It’s when one singles out one or two “proof texts” to back a preconceived opinion that it becomes misleading and dangerous.
PS: Because God’s love is “unconditional love”, you state God’s consuming fire must then also be “unconditional fire”. You state correctly. His “consuming fire” is also unconditional. In the presence of sin, any sin, all sin, he is always a consuming fire. That is precisely why we need Jesus. God’s unconditional love is the prerequisite for his hatred of sin which is none other than a “consuming fire.” The object of his “consuming fire” is always sin … never the sinner … whereas the sinner is always the object of “unconditional love” even if he (the sinner) chooses fire over love.
PPS: By the way, I have read Pastor Sequeira’s book, “Beyond Belief”, plus most of the study material he has posted on his website, and carefully (prayerfully) compared it to Scripture … and his teaching did not fail the test! His book “Beyond Belief” is only “beyond belief” for the mind that refuses to let go of legalism … exactly the way the Judaizers refused to let go of their “works of the law.”
SinnerSavedByGrace, It seems like you did not read the entire post. Several quotes were shown from the Bible where God definitely DOES NOT love some people. 2 Chronicles 19:1 “And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem. And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.”
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Here we see where God rebukes someone for loving someone else!!!
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So the very first statement in your post is incorrect. It isn’t “daniel” who is stating that God doesn’t love some people, it is GOD who is stating that he himself doesn’t love some people.
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The interpretation you give of Luke 6:27 is incorrect also. To see the verse in context, read 28 also: “Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.” So we see that we are not to take vengeance on our enemies. Yes, we are commanded to NOT take vengeance on our enemies, because God himself will do that.
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Unconditional love believers are required to love Satan. Can you show inspired evidence showing we should love Satan? Do you love Satan?
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God’s love has never been termed “unconditional” in inspired writings anywhere. It is only in 20th-21st modern days where psychologists have advanced “beautiful” theories that have permeated Christian circles where you find this doctrine.
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Which will you believe, worldly wisdom, or wisdom from above?
Daniel, you are wrong: I DID read your whole post, and most of what everyone else posted, also. I just totally disagree with your interpretation, and I base that disagreement on three years of studying the subject almost exclusively. But if disagreement is proof that reading wasn’t thorough, then I could say the same thing to you: you didn’t really read my post once you realized it was in opposition to what you teach.
There is absolutely not one thread of “worldly wisdom” in the fact that Jesus gave his life for his enemies. Not just for the enemies that would eventually change their minds and become his friends; no, he gave his life for those enemies who would continue to be his enemies, including those enemies you claim God says he hates. You don’t give your life for someone you hate. Therefore, God’s hate cannot be separated from his love. Thus, his love is unconditional. And, therefore, God’s hate is not to be understood as being so shallow as to be directed at his enemy; no, his enemy is merely the tip of the iceberg. God’s hate goes much deeper than that. It is directed at what makes an enemy an enemy, not the enemy himself. Unless you understand this, you will continue to hold the erroneous conclusion that God hates some people.
God’s emotions are as far above our understanding as is God’s eternal existence and triune function. Therefore, they must be viewed in light of the tenure of the WHOLE Bible, not just isolating a couple texts and making them stand alone as you have done.
The Bible says the ultimate human love is to die for a friend, but that love is still conditional … if you’re my friend, I am willing to die for you. To die for one’s enemies, on the other hand, definitely defines unconditional love. As I said, you don’t die for someone you hate. And by the way, Jesus didn’t say, “Don’t take vengeance on your enemies” as you claim. He said, “LOVE your enemies.” We must understand that to be in the same context as when he said “Love one another as I have loved you.” In other words, our goal is to be so open to the Holy Spirit that he can love EVERYONE unconditionally through us just as God does. You can’t have a different definition for loving your enemies than you have for loving fellow believers. That is inconsistent interpretation.
Giving God a selective(or conditional) kind of love is only one step away from condoning belief in an eternally-burning hell. After all, is it so unreasonable to believe that if God hates some people, then he’s no better than Hitler or Mussolini or any other hate-filled, power-and-control monger who delights in torture. And that’s exactly what the devil wants us to believe of God; how do you love someone like that? As children we were taught that Jesus doesn’t love you if you’re bad! Of course, it’s a given, then, that if you want to go to heaven, you’d better be good. And that premise totally corrupts the gospel! It teaches that human effort needs to be added to the doing and dying of Jesus, that there’s something we can do to save ourselves, that salvation is NOT by grace through faith ALONE! Now THAT’S “worldly wisdom!”
I will be eternally thankful and rejoicing for the “wisdom from above” that finally convinced me of God’s unconditional love and his total-package gift of salvation that is mine by grace through faith alone. It is my prayer that you will soon receive it as well.
That’s odd that you read the entire post, but chose to disbelieve the direct words of God in
2Chronicles 19:1-2,
Psalm 5:5
Psalm 11:5
Hosea 9:15
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Why do you promote your own theories above God’s word? Why do you promote the idea we should love Satan? Why not just repent, and return to the truth as it is in Jesus Christ?
PS: I forgot to address your concluding (and supposed to be conclusive, I’m noticing) argument … that if you love your enemies, you must also love Satan. If you want to know God’s feelings towards Satan, take note of Jesus’ response to Satan during his (Jesus’) ministry on earth. There is no hint of anger let alone hate in his rebukes.
If you theorize that God hates Satan, then you have to also acknowledge that God created Lucifer out of hate because he created him with full foreknowledge that he (Lucifer) would not only turn against him, but be the originator of evil (something God hates), would spawn every horrendous act of pain, suffering and death this world has ever known in its 6,000-year history, and would be the source of the horrible torture of, and cost the supreme sacrifice of, God’s only son in order to redeem the fallen race. If that’s your theory, then there is no reason to not believe that God also caused the birth of other human beings (who knows how many!) whose existence would also be solely for the purpose of perpetuating evil, and whose destiny could be none other than eternal death. And there you have full-blown predestination! God loves some people, hates others; calls some, doesn’t call others; chooses some, doesn’t choose others. One of Satan’s worst heresies.
In analyzing your posts, I’ve been brought to the conclusion that you totally misunderstand what real love is. Suppose some serial rapist kidnapped your young daughter, repeatedly raped and tortured her until she finally (days, weeks, months later) died from the abuse. I’m assuming you would say that is grounds for hate, both for you and for God, especially you knew that man had had every opportunity to turn his life around but chose not to respond. Now suppose that rapist/murderer was your son. Should still be grounds for hate, right? I don’t know about you, but even in my limited ability to love in the “conditional” sense of the word, he would still be my son, and I would still love him.
Unconditional love is based on principle, not emotion. That’s loving the unlovable. While unconditional love does not imply compliance with or tolerance of, association with or even the appearance of condoning evil in any and all forms, is never in league with or yoked together with, or aiding and abetting evil, at the same time, unconditional love always has in mind the welfare of the object of that love no matter what that object may do or say. Unconditional love rebukes, censors, and disciplines. And eventually, unconditional love may have to step back, let go and leave the person to the consequences of his decisions; and in God’s dealings with the determined and unrelenting evildoers, ending their lives. But that is NOT hate. In fact, freedom of choice IS unconditional love in the highest sense of the word. There is NO room for hate in love. That’s Bible 101!
SinnerSavedByGrace, Your passion for your belief comes thru loud and clear. The lack of Scriptural support for that belief is equally loud and clear.
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You have rejected the plainest statements from the Bible that God does not love some people, and twisted them to mean that God loves everyone.
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While you continue to reject God’s words, what use is it to supply any further words?
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Please repent from your own ideas and man-made theories that are contrary to the Word of God, and come back to the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.
You accuse me of rejecting the plainest statements in the Bible and twisting them, and all the while you reject the plainest statement of all in the whole Bible: John 3:16 where it plainly states that God loved “the world”! There is no qualifier attached to that verse (nor is one to be found anywhere in its context) to say that John meant that God just loved only 75% of the world, or maybe even as much as 99.9% of the world, but definitely not 100%. Or how about the “God is love” statement in 1 John 4:8. There is also no qualifier anywhere there that states this is simply referring to ONE of God’s characteristics. No, it makes an indisputable statement that God IS love. And hate cannot exist in love because to hate someone is a sin.
You admonish me to repent from my own ideas. Well, let’s see. If I were to believe your ideas, I would have to conclude that the Bible contradicts itself because God doesn’t really love the whole world. He just loves some of “the world”. It’s obvious, then, that the “some” would be those who are “good enough”, so if his love towards me is based on my performance, then that would mean that I have some part in saving myself. Legalism, in other words. You haven’t been able to explain why God would tell human beings that they must love everyone, including their enemies, but you want me to believe that he hates the very people we are to love and destroys them out of hatred. If followed to its ultimate conclusion, your ideas would teach me that God created some people to be saved and some to be lost since he obviously knew from the time he created everyone “in Adam” which ones would be loves and which ones would be hated. Thus God obviously predestined some people to be lost and some to be saved.
Now if I believed those theories, I would indeed have need of repentance!
The truth as it is in Jesus Christ is that God unconditionally loves the ENTIRE world so much that he gave his Son to save the ENTIRE world; that Jesus purchased salvation for the ENTIRE world by his birth, life, death and resurrection 2,000 years ago; that this salvation is a gift offered to everyone who wants to receive it, by grace through faith ALONE! And you would ask me to repent of this?
If you choose not to respond further, that’s fine … I totally understand where you are coming from … I was there once myself. However, I would urge you and everyone who has read my posts here to go to Jack Sequeira’s website and start learning what the Gospel REALLY means. Do not settle for what you’ve been led to believe no matter for how long you have been led to believe it. You will truly know the meaning of John 8:32 – “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
Brother, i have studied out this heresy of unconditional love very carefully. It first came to my attention around 10 years ago. It is beautiful sophistry of Satan.
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One thing for sure, nowhere is this phrase “unconditional love” used in inspired writings anywhere.
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You make many assertions about what “must be” if unconditional love is wrong, but they are human theories, contrary to the inspired words of God.
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I will continue to point out this deadly doctrine to all who are studying it, and show that it has no inspired backing whatsoever.
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Why not repent and follow Jesus?
To study God’s love effectively, it needs to be studied in light of the entire teachings of Scripture. Despite your ten-year study, it seems you still continue to be confused about John 3:16. As I said before, John 3:16 is NOT a human theory. It plainly states that “God so loved the world” … THE WORLD! If you change that to read “God only loves SOME people in the world, but others he hates”, then that becomes a “human theory”, a “deadly doctrine”, a “sophistry of Satan” and something that needs to be repented of if one truly chooses to follow Jesus, the One who asked his followers to love their enemies. Love and hatred work against each other. Love builds up; hatred destroys. You cannot hate someone for any reason without negatively affecting (and eventually destroying) yourself. That’s the nature of hate. Yet you claim that God “hates” certain people! That would mean God would end up destroying himself. Amazing deception!
It’s a lame claim that because the phrase “unconditional love” is not in the Bible, that means it is not an inspired principle. The word “legalism” wasn’t used in Paul’s day, either, but you cannot say that therefore legalism didn’t exist simply because it wasn’t labelled as such. That was the downfall of the nation of Israel and, as Galatians proves, was threatening the Christian church of Paul’s day. Two of the principles in Bible about God are: God IS love; and God changes not. That’s unconditional.
It’s your God-given privilege to continue to fight against the unconditional nature of God’s love if you so choose, but you will be continuing to fight against God himself because an unchanging God is love.
Believe me, I have repented … repented for the wasted years I spent steeped in legalism, having no concept of God’s amazing love. It was his love that caused me to repent of every known sin, and continues to cause me to repent daily for failing to share that love as I had opportunity, for for failing to bring him glory by letting him live out his life within me. But believing in his unconditional love is not ever to be repented of … against such love there is no law! It is in that love that my faith firmly rests. On the other hand, I can’t begin to thank him enough for Jesus, who so clearly and wonderfully modeled that love, and who now has my undivided heart.
One more thing, Daniel. You accuse Jack Sequeira of teaching universalism, that everyone will ultimately be saved. If that is truly what you believe, it’s obvious that you have never really read his material. I have read nearly all of the material on his website, including Beyond Belief, and not ONCE in hundreds of pages does he even hint at universalism.
On the contrary, he constantly stresses that the salvation “package” (justification, sanctification, glorification) is a gift that, like any other gift, needs to be received in order to be of any value. In other words, the individual needs to accept Jesus as his Savior. He also constantly stresses that salvation not only justifies us (makes us right with God) but sanctifies us (makes our “rightness” a reality) through the indwelling Holy Spirit’s influence. He also constantly warns about falling into the ditch of “cheap grace”, that because we have freedom in Christ that does not mean freedom to live according to the desires of our sinful nature. Over and over he reminds us that baptism means we died to sin and are raised to life in Christ. Therefore, salvation (grace) doesn’t only mean forgiveness of sin, but it is also the power over sin that will produce a Christ-like life.
Now, be honest: is that the teaching of universalism?
Again your enthusiasm for your doctrine comes thru loud and clear, SinnerSavedByGrace, but on top of the fact that you have no inspired quotes to support your doctrine, your hate towards others who don’t believe as you do comes thru loud and clear too.
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This has been my experience with most unconditional love people – while they loudly proclaim “unconditional love”, they are very antagonistic to all who don’t believe just as they do. Quite ironic, isn’t it?
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John 3:16 says nothing about God’s love being unconditional. It says “For God so loved the world…”. Please understand what it really says, and not what people try to twist it to say. “For so greatly did God love the world that” (Weymouth version). Nothing is written about God’s love being unconditional.
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God is love. Amen. God is also a “consuming fire” (Heb. 12:29). Is it proper to build a doctrine on one Bible text to make it contradict other Bible texts? Based on the logic used by “unconditional love” followers, they should also be preaching about God’s “unconditional fire”!
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SSBG wrote: “it’s obvious that you have never really read his material”. While your comments were civil, i continued to allow them to be displayed, even tho i disagreed totally with them. But now that you have basically accused me of lying, your privileges are revoked.
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May you repent, and stay away from universalism in all its forms.
I’ve had experience with the false gospels that Jack Sequeria and Robert Wieland have written. Universal Justification may be the most glaring error that both hold.
In my opinion, these “gospels” have done more to divide Adventism than perhaps any other perversions of truth that we may find.
For those who seek an easy, no conditions, no 3 angels messages, no Investigative judgment, no sanctuary type message–then it’s there in Sequeria’s “gospel” (he also despises the SOP) and the 1888 MSC’s very strange, unbiblical, perverted gospel.