The following is an exact copy of comments made over on my earlysda.com forum regarding Jeff Pippenger. Note that “webmaster” = myself.
Name: ep Date: Oct 3, 2006
listen to jeff pippenger sermons online at http://www.theseventhunders.com/gallery/
Name: webmaster Date: Oct 4, 2006
I met Br. Jeff Pippenger in Holland and Germany. He has a few interesting discoveries in the prophecies leading up to 1844. Mostly tho, you can just read Uriah Smith’s book and get most of the same information.
When shown from Ellen White’s second vision that right after the sealing was completed the 7 Last Plagues were poured out, he said i was misapplying that. Sorry to say, it seems that when an inspired writing cuts across his theories, he doesn’t like it too much….
Name: mark Date: Nov 3, 2006
I don’t see any “sermons online” at this site.
Name: Anonymous Date: Oct 3, 2008
I know jeff pretty well, and he supports the biblical view that the 4 angels are going to hold the four winds of strife while probationary time is open for humanity. And that once the close of probation arrives, then and not before the seven plagues are poured out because the 4 angels do not hold the winds from this point on any longer. That´s number one.
And number two, it is also false what you say that Jeff is pretty much saying what Uriath Smith wrote in that book. I wonder why, if you don´t know, you speak as if you knew, and people may get a wrong idea about this good man. He is very logic, very inteligent, with a lot of common sense, and coutious about his conclusions. Jeff has been blessed by God with loads of new light, prophetic truths that concerns us in this present time. But at the same time he defends the forgotten prophetic truths in the Seventh-day adventism, the ones the pioneers held. And building upon that firm platform he advanced in new prophetic light. For example Daniel 11:40-45. The role of Islam in Bible prophecy with the Third woe, the seven churches, the seven thunders, the sealing time, revelation 17,18. Etc…. A lot of people are studying these truths, and are seeing a great blessing, this is the final message for adventism and the world.
Name: Anonymous 2 Date: April 24th
ITS interessting concerning EGW saying about the latter rain starting to fall that no one will say “I belong to Paul”, and “I belong to Kaifas” etc. The very people who endorse Pippenger clearly states we are depended on “his ideas” for salvation.
This doens’t fit with the quote I read.
When people are united the sprinkling will start, when people manifest the love of Christ. Not unified by fear but by love.
Name: Anonymous Date: April 24th
I agree.. when clear statements from egw doesn’t fit with the theory we are claimed to misread those quotes, but when they use unclear quotes to fit with the theory then they are reading them correctly. This isn’t fair.
Name: webmaster Date: April 25th
Anonymous of October 3, 2008 wrote: “And number two, it is also false what you say that Jeff is pretty much saying what Uriath Smith wrote in that book. I wonder why, if you don´t know, you speak as if you knew, and people may get a wrong idea about this good man.”
Sir, as i wrote in October 4, 2006 posting, i met the man in both Holland and Germany in summer 2006. I listened to several of his sermons. Basically he says the 7 trumpets are in the past. When i showed him the inspired word that the sealing of the 144,000 must be in the future, he got riled at me, and said i was taking it out of context. The problem is, IF the sealing of the 144,000 is future to where we are today, then the 5th trumpet CANNOT HAVE POSSIBLY SOUNDED YET.
My blood brother and i just spent over an hour studying Ezekiel 9 along with the Revelation 7, 8 and 9. It is clear that the trumpets happen AFTER the 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads.
Name: webmaster Date: May 7th
Anonymous of October 3 wrote “The role of Islam in Bible prophecy with the Third woe”. How can this be, when the first and second “woes” have not even occurred yet????
Stephen Dickie is promoting the idea that the Muslims were the first “woe” which cannot be right either. Why is it that us SDAs are trying to fit Islam into any of the “woes”?
Name: Sister in Christ Date: May 9th
Because Islam is a hot topic.
“And now, little children, abide in him, that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before him at his coming.” 1 John 2:28
Name: Anonymous Date: May 18th
In response to the webmaster and his following quote: “Stephen Dickie is promoting the idea that the Muslims were the first “woe” which cannot be right either. Why is it that us SDAs are trying to fit Islam into any of the “woes”?
What everyone has to understand is this: 1. The pioneer chart of 1843 which was a representation of ALL of the truth’s that were taught by our pioneers, portrayed Islam as the first and second woe! If you are faithful to inspiration, check out this quote:
“I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.” EW 74
We can see clearly, if we are willing, that the pioneers taught that the first and second woe were represented by Islam AND that sister White was shown that THAT chart was “directed by the hand of the Lord” and “that it should not be altered”. Friends the only mistake was the inclusion of the year zero. That was soon adjusted, but a disappointment was intended to try the people.
I also can provide you with the pioneers arguments that Islam was represented by the first and second woe and WHY!
THIS is just one reason as to why we “are trying to fit Islam into” the woes. Blessings
Name: webmaster Date: 13 days ago
Here’s high-res pictures of the 1843 and 1850 charts:
Yes, i fully believe the 1843 chart was led of God. It led them to prepare to meet their Master in 1843.
William Miller wrote some rules of Biblical interpretation. While not inspired, i believe them to be very sound rules. Let’s take a look at number 13:
“13. To know whether we have the true historical event for the fulfillment of a prophecy: If you find every word of the prophecy (after the figures are understood) is literally fulfilled, then you may know that your history is the true event; but if one word lacks a fulfillment, then you must look for another event, or wait its future development; for God takes care that history and prophecy shall agree, so that the true believing children of God may never be ashamed. Ps. 22:5; Isa. 45:17-19; 1 Pet. 2:6; Rev. 17:17; Acts 3:18.”
Notice the part i bolded especially.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Did the people of God in 1843 have any understanding at all of the “seal of God”? No. We know now that this refers to the sealing in the forehead of the 144,000 saints who will be alive when Jesus comes. These will be the ones who keep the Sabbath when all the world declares it void.
As of present, 2009, there is no one who has received either the seal of God, or the Mark of the Beast. That these two processes occur simultaneously is obvious, but if there is a question about this we could start a new thread on this topic.
Some other words that have not been fulfilled yet:
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Who sought death during the Mahometan invasions but could not find it?
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Where on the chart is anything about the tails at all? Nothing.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Were 1/3 of all humans killed during the Mahometan wars? No.
Also on the 1843 chart, it shows Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But there is one little problem with that — There is no zero year date to throw the prophecy off!!! Take 508 and add 1335 and you will come to a year when nothing happened. How can it be said at the last of the explanation of the greatest time prophecies in the Bible “blessed is he who waits” and comes to the year when nothing happened?????
So these are a few reasons why i know that none of the woes have even started yet. Besides, common sense would tell any honest seeker, that if something so bad God calls a “woe”, is something that happened long ago that hardly two people can agree over, then God’s “woes” are pretty puny, and not to be feared. No, no, God’s woes will be awesome, and will captivate the attention of all the world like nothing else possibly could.
Let’s be ready ourselves, and help others prepare for what is going to come on the world like an “overwhelming surprise”.
Name: Anonymous brian palfrey Date: 7 days ago
i live in cwmbran south wales.i am a sda but came to listen by chance and find this man good.i love the way this man has studied.i wish i had read more in my life .and i believe in what jeff has said we has a church should go back to the pioneering days for his message alone has caused a stir with members in the church.and if my dear father had been alive today for he loved the Lord and was himself a scholar in his own right.i fell from Gods grace many times but this man has given Christ back to me in a big way.i fell and fell and jeff thanks for your message may God indeed grant an extension to your life and works .God be with all christians and those who dont know him ,listen to jeff you will then want Christ always and will indeed change your ways.God be with you jeff and your family.brian.if anyone wants to email me then this is my email…..email@example.com
Name: webmaster Date: 6 days ago
I just went to Jeff Pippenger’s website, and looked a few minutes at his February 2009 newsletter – what a mishmash! And as i remember from before, there are tons of quotes seeming to back up his statements, while all the while ignoring the obvious statements in inspired words that directly refute such ideas.
He writes: “The “golden oil” which is the “communications which” God “sends us” comes through the “golden pipes” which for the disciples during Pentecost was the law and the prophets, for the Millerites were the Old and New Testaments, and for the 144,000 are the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. ”
Well, THAT is certainly a new interpretation that i’ve never heard anyone say before.
“The first work of the latter rain message is to awaken the sleeping virgins of Adventism; ”
This cannot be true. Please read chapter 32 “The Shaking” in the original Great Controversy book, and you will see that AFTER they are shaken, THEN the Latter Rain will be poured out.
Then he gives another original idea: “The progressive nature of the latter rain message is represented by the “Lion of the tribe of Judah” removing the seven seals from Gods word. ”
He even quotes basically what i showed him in his room at the Holland camp-meeting in 2006: “The sealing time is very short, and will soon be over. Now is the time, while the four angels are holding the four winds, to make our calling and election sure. Early Writings, 58.”
But while at the camp-meeting when i showed him this, and showed that at the minimum, the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets cannot have started yet, he got angry, and said i do not properly interpret this quote. But now i see he has a totally unique, unfounded, erroneous twist on this quote by writing:
“The sealing time begins when the four angels of Revelation seven restrain the four winds of strife, the sealing only lasts a short period of time before all of Gods people are sealed. In 2001, the United States and the United Nations together placed a restraint upon radical Islam, thus marking when the restraining of the four winds began; for the four winds are Islam, the “angry horse” of Bible prophecy.”
What Garbage! How can anyone listen to this poor, deluded man? How much longer will God’s remnant people be put to sleep with interpreters of the visions saying one day that nearly everything is in the past, and then the next day showing that it is talking about Islam or “progressive Latter Rain”?
I speak strongly, because i’m passionate about this subject. Really, how much longer will we Seventh-day Adventists not study our Bibles to see that the entire Bible especially has an immediate application for the 144,000???