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2883. daniel said in March 3rd, 2009

This email was received from Brother David Gates on March 2 in response to my sending him this “review” of his sermon.

Dear Daniel,

Thank you for your email. Though I appreciate your support of the spiritual message I disagree quite strongly on your financial statements. I am currently with an executive of the Shell company in Europe and he disagrees with you too.

However, that message is now history and the coming crisis has already started. I suggest you don’t waste your energies trying to fight what is already history.

At present my entire focus is on taking advantage of this small window of time god has given us before things get really bad. I am putting up TV networks around the world and starting medical aviation programs and schools. God is really blessing.

I would like to suggest you put your time too into reaching those who don’t know Jesus. I think you will find it more rewarding. .

I will be praying for you.

Uncle David
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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2969. daniel said in March 15th, 2009

Sent March 14
Hello again Brother David,
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Thank you for replying. I wonder if you read thru my whole email, as you made no response at all to the fact that you are directly going against the counsel of God in dissing leaders and in setting time for when Christ has to return by.
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Please repent David. Perhaps your spectacular success in calling to the month the economic crash has blinded your eyes. You see, Satan knows you are doing more than just about anyone else alive today to spread the 3 Angels’ Messages. So he has gotten you to go off on a “economic” tangent – something that has no relation to the 3 Angels’ Messages. And you know what will happen? When the financial mess is over, and things perk up again, your influence will be severely curtailed. People will remember your economic nonsense, and rightly reject that, and in so doing, will reject the truth as contained in the 3 Angels’ Messages also. Please humble your heart David and repent and resolve to teach only the straight truth about Jesus Christ and him crucified.
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May God be with you as you purpose to teach nothing but the straight truth, and look to Jesus,
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Daniel Winters

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2970. daniel said in March 15th, 2009

Received from David Gates on March 15:
Dear Daniel,
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Yes I read the entire letter. However I have chosen to focus on present truth not on past history like the economic crisis. I am actually surprised how much the subject has captivated your interest.
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I no longer am preaching that message neither am I wasting any time trying to defend or explain it. Neither do I have anything to repent from on presenting it. I did the best to present the conviction that was on my heart and God blessed the message, and He is now blessing the new messages.
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I suggest you put it behind you and focus on taking advantage of the opportunities to reach people and prepare them for Jesus coming. Too many things are happening.
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David
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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3021. daniel said in March 18th, 2009

David, you directly sinned against God by:
1. Setting a date for when Jesus has to return by
2. Dissing government leaders
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Now i see another area you need to repent of:
Pride
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Please David, you definitely DO have things to repent of here, and publicly too, as you publicly stated things that hurt the cause of our lovely saviour – Jesus Christ.
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May we always keep our eyes on Jesus,
Daniel Winters

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3094. begrave said in June 8th, 2009

Brother David Gates, pls excuse the ignorance of brother Daniel Winters

The Final Analysis (Mother Teresa)

People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered;
…Forgive them anyway!
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
…Be kind anyway!
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
…Succeed anyway!
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
…Be honest and frank anyway!
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
…Build anyway!
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
…Be happy anyway!
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
…Do good anyway!
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
…Give the world the best you’ve got anyway!

You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.

From Vancouver, Canada

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3097. daniel said in June 10th, 2009

What is my ignorance you speak of?
Please show me where i am wrong.

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3185. mck said in August 17th, 2009

I recently saw part 1 of the converging crisis video, why does the gov’t want to seal the cities and kill so many people?
Does this have something to do with that American Stonehenge where they want to kill off so many people?

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3187. daniel said in August 20th, 2009

Ha ha, American Stonehenge! Yes, Converging Crisis is rightly mocked.
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But it is sad because it did not have to be like this….

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3383. NJK Project said in December 9th, 2009

I fully agree with the Biblical critique by Daniel Winters of David Gates and some of the outrageous statements he makes. We are all subject to Biblical scrutiny. I make a similar critique of Gates on my blog and particularly his “Lazarus Experience”: See http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2009/11/ministry-of-david-gates.html

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3385. daniel said in December 9th, 2009

Thank you Brother NJK Project. Your analysis of Brother David Gates’ position is much more detailed than my own here. Perhaps you have had personal contact with Brother David? We need to pray for him, and lift him up. He needs to repent, and be humble, and we all need to be like Jesus 🙂

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3386. NJK Project said in December 9th, 2009

I have emailed David Gates on these issues, but he has not responded. My blog post is based on having listened to over 70+ sermons he has preached which are posted variously on the internet.

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3423. Rams said in December 24th, 2009

Gentlemen,be careful…who are we to make our brother repent,only God can speak like that.The way you are approaching Bro Gates is not helping at all,in fact i suspect you are becoming paralyzed yourselves,as you are becoming judgemental.Satan is so diplomatic,if you are not careful,He can use you,while you think you are standing for the truth.Like He said,lets focus on what as individuals can do for Jesus,stop unconstructive critisism.The use of phrases like “Ha ha ha”.Brothers,come back to your senses.This is war of principalities and rulers of darkness.Hope to meet you in Heaven.God bless you.Benny—Botswana.Africa

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3502. NJK Project said in February 13th, 2010

While it surfacely may seem here that a blameless “man of God” is being railed against or mocked, David Gates does act, and speak, as if He has a God-given license to fudge concrete/verified facts. EGW speaks clearly against such presumptuousness; particularly against his repeated time settings. Indeed some of the far-fetched things that he has claimed are as ludicrous as e.g., the wild predictions of Futurist-Dispensationalists. Such falsehood do nothing to inspire faith, nor build up the work of God and actually does much more against it. One would have to literally be brainwashed to not indeed “laugh out loud” at these, and it must be emphasized, deliberate, speculative un-truths of his.
(See more on my blog post- link above).

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3523. daniel said in February 26th, 2010

email sent on feb8
Hello Brother Gates,
A Brother sent me links to the sermons from Faith Camp in the Philippines last November, and i downloaded several sermons. You have many good, powerful things that need to be said to bring God’s people to repentance
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In your Thursday 7pm sermon starting around the 19:06 mark you said that: “Salvation cannot be earned by us thru obedience, because we already are sinners. If we wanted to earn salvation by obedience, it is theoretically possible, but it would require perfect obedience. And Jesus is the only one that can say he had perfect obedience. He deserved salvation. None of us can say that”.
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But the Bible says in Ephesians 2:8: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
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And Ellen White writes in 4RH 12-20-1892, Christ Our Hope: “It is impossible for man to save himself. He may deceive himself in regard to this matter; but he cannot save himself. Christ’s righteousness alone can avail for his salvation, and this is the gift of God.”
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This is very, very serious. I’ve never heard you before speak an outright doctrinal error (unless it was the time-setting thing), and to have it be such a big one — it just floors me! No, there is no way anybody, no matter how perfectly they kept the law, could even theoretically go to heaven without going thru Jesus Christ. If it was even possible, then maybe if God waited a million years, another Saviour would appear?!?! Or maybe someone would do “all the right things”, and tell the angels at heaven’s gate that he didn’t need Jesus, because he “kept the commandments perfectly”. Shudder. The thot itself is degrading to our wonderful Creator, Redeemer, and Saviour – Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
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There were two other points of concern in the sermon – one about how swine flu was made for someone to make money. This kind of conspiracy talk serves nothing to get God’s people ready for the Time of Trouble. And then there was odd talk about one family in South Africa owning all the mineral rights to the whole country. Please David, don’t repeat oddball stuff just because it tickles your ears. It makes the Three Angels’ Messages look silly in people’s eyes when you say silly things in your sermons.
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If this was just a slip of the tongue, then just make a public apology, but if you believe this, please repent publically, and believe that Jesus will forgive you, and then move forward powerfully preaching the Three Angels’ Messages
Look up to Jesus,
Daniel Winters

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3524. daniel said in February 26th, 2010

feb.11th reply by David Gates:
Thanks for your comments. I get some now and then and try to read them, but don’t respond to many of them due to time constraints.
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I appreciate your concerns and suggestions. I will carefully consider them I appreciate the spirit in which they were given.
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I do not disagree or in any way intend to teach anything other than salvation by faith. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. My statement was intended to reinforce that point. Only people that have never sinned are exempted, and that applies only to Jesus.
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Thanks again and God bless.

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3593. begrave said in March 29th, 2010

Brother Daniel,
Please don’t waste your time or brother David Gates time
You don’t understand that some of us who are not Christians
or Seven day Adventist would like to hear more sermons or teachers like brother David his approach is simple and his work is big.
I decided a few months ago to start keeping the Sabbath and reading the Bible. When I see someone from the same church or group criticising another brother I wonder if this is the real deal or just another group.
Doesn’t look good on you to criticise and keep track of every sermon
Every word, every minute. I believe that God has give you a gift
And a nice website (I like reading some of you material)
Please don’t ruined it with crazy talk

“While you are proclaiming peace with your lips, be careful to have it even more fully in your heart”

“Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words”

“It is no use walking anywhere to preach unless our walking is our preaching”

Even in the times of Jesus were people who only wanted to find errors, mistakes on Him. Luke 6:7
The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath.

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3856. daniel said in May 28th, 2010

A friend i met in the Philippines almost 5 years ago sent me a email the other day saying how he had heard the Brother Gates was going to attend another “Faith Camp” in the Philippines soon, and since he was asked regarding it by some of his Filipino friends, he searched the internet, came across this site, and was able to give his friends what i believe is good advice – to attend the meetings, but be careful for sensationalism, and make sure to back up everything with the Bible and SOP.
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On a related note, at the Faith Camp last November in the Philippines, Brother David said that it was possible for someone to go to heaven without needing Jesus. When asked in a email about it, he said he didn’t mean it like it came out. Again, no repentance tho.
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We must all repent of our wrongs, and all follow the example of our dear Saviour – Jesus Christ.

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3895. daniel said in July 6th, 2010

I talked with Brother David around 45 minutes at the GC Session, and he said that he had a prayerful talk about this with a couple of leaders, and had decided it is best to tone this down, and focus on other things. He didn’t say that he had given any misinformation, but seemed partially humbled about the whole thing, and i hope and pray he will not fall into the same trap again. Surely Satan is very active on his trail, as David is doing a great work for God to spread the 3 Angel’s Messages.
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On a different note, i’ve been invited to join the GMI team, so am thinking carefully and of course praying about that. I really think it might be the best way to spread this 1858gc book in the various languages, and also in the video format i’ve dreamt about for a long time.
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Please join me in prayer for God’s will to be known in my life, and also prayers for Brother David, as God leads in his many, much bigger endeavors for the Lord.
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Oh yes, just while i was waiting to talk with him at lunch sitting on some books in the back of of his booth, a young man was telling him that someone had just donated a 1/4million dollar helicopter to this Philippine ministry – praise God!

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4631. daniel said in August 16th, 2010

Yesterday marked exactly one month since i came to volunteer at GMI headquarters near Collegedale, Tennessee. Currently i’m learning video editing, camera work, sheetrock work, and general “gofer” work. We are served lunch every day, but other than that, nothing else exchanges hands. It is a nice atmosphere mostly, and i really enjoy working with others who are trying to spread the gospel. Lord willing, we hope and pray that the Holy Spirit will bless our efforts to make MissionTV a compelling tool to wake up God’s sleeping, Laodicean church.

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4964. daniel said in September 22nd, 2010

I was the one who edited the “Prepared for the Crisis” video which was filmed August 28, 2010 at the Village Chapel Church. It is mostly good, with some usual strange economic things. The whole tone tho is wrong i believe, as there is no Biblical support for a literal 7 year time of “fat and lean” for the end time. I mean, after the 7 years of lean, are we going into 400 years of bondage????
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NJK, i really appreciate your revised comments on your blog regarding Br. David. May he repent and give the straight truth, and may we help him see the error.

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4974. NJK Project said in October 9th, 2010

Hello Brother Daniel, I just noticed your reply here. I must say that I was quite surprised that you decided to go work with the David Gates ministry. I can understand your desire to merely work in missions and doing so with an organized ministry can indeed be quite efficient and helpful, however I personally, Biblically, think that since David Gates refuses to publicly repent of his past public errors, and is only adding more prideful erroneous claims and actions to these, working with him is like travelling back in time to try to sail across the Atlantic aboard the Titanic. I.e., by not correcting its course and actions, it is bound to make the same fatal mistake again. As someone suggested on my blog comments, I would recommend another SDA Missions organization. In my view David Gates is too much of a liability, both Biblically, (in terms of bearing false witness, pride, guile and other sins), and also even Legally, (in terms of “published” libel, slander, etc., e.g., by falsely and baseless accusing people of being political subversives (i.e., Jesuit envoys) and thus effectively traitors). If anyone in the future ever wants to mount a legal case for denying any SDA their Free Speech and Freedom of Assembly rights, they can easily use such libellous and slanderous accusations as valid evidence for their legal arguments, and probably sway any judges’/jury’s decision, especially if it is in a time when the vast majority of the population is seeking to silence the witness of SDA’s in ‘any way possible’.

As you may have noticed, I have done a 20+ page analysis of David Gates “Joseph Story Prophecy” and as you indeed recognize in Gates sermon, which was similarly and even to my own shocking surprise, not much, if anything of what Gates claimed there checks out upon careful/factual inspection. It is just the same old story with him, and now even worse!

See the blog post at (currently) note #41: http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2009/11/ministry-of-david-gates.html

God Bless and Guide You Brother Daniel.

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4981. avatarjah said in October 17th, 2010

I would like to get a copy of Elder Reid’s Sermon from which David Gates’ quoted the 2031 time period. I want to see for myself if Reid was being quoted properly. Also, might anyone know the exact chapter/page number in Desire of Ages where EG White stated that Jesus was hung between two economies. Please advise and thanks.

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4985. daniel said in October 21st, 2010

This post is by NJK Project:
Hello avatarjah. The sermon where I’ve heard Ed Reid presents his “Great Week in Time” view (i.e, 7000 years with 1 day = 1000 years) is in a February 21, 2009 sermon. See http://www.presentruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/godsgreattimelineelder_g_edward_reed_2-21-09_5pm1.mp3 [Time: ca. 43:58ff]
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As this sermon was apparently preached 2 days after Daniel Winters wrote this blog post, it probably was not the specific one that he was referring to in this post, however that sermon was most likely an exact repetition of one of Reid’s earlier sermons on this topic.
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The DA quote is Ch. 72 page 652.
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Apparently David Gates is responsible for explicitly claiming this specific 2031 dating. At 01:17:34ff o f this sermon Ed Reid (irresponsibly) says that he would not say such an extreme limit date because the sermon was being recorded!?? However Reid adds that he believes that ‘time would be cut short’ so he believes the Second Coming would occur before his (implied) 2031 extreme date limit.
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As I have explained in an SDA forum, EGW did not mean for her 4000 or 2000 year statements to be specific (i.e., to the very year or day) as she then would not have been expecting Christ to return in her day as she did, because it would have been ca, year 5900 and not 6000 if Christ had returned in her day. (See http://www.adventistonline.com/xn/detail/1451550:Comment:1212970 – see also relevant/contextual comments)
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Furthermore, as explained also in that forum, the number 7 in the Bible indicates a “perfect representation” and not as commonly assumed: “completeness”. So it here would be indicating a “perfect representation” of the time that it should take to resolve the GC, however not a definite limit of time allotted. So if circumstances on earth necessitated it, time can, and would be, prolonged. The SOP is clear on this. Hope this helps.

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4986. daniel said in October 21st, 2010

Thank you for your detailed response again, njk. It is very strange, that i spent around 30 minutes the other nite researching where in Desire of Ages the “four thousand years” quote comes from, and thot i posted the answer on this comment section, but see that i failed to do that.
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Please pray for me as a leader closely associated with Brother David saw this post for the first time this week, and is not happy about it.
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May we triumph with the truth – because Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

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4992. daniel said in October 23rd, 2010

Today, as the result of talking with a lady two days ago, and dear couple last nite, i deleted all words that have a mocking tone in this blog post. Please forgive me for the wrong attitude towards someone who, while teaching much error, is still a pastor whom i should respect.

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5079. daniel said in November 29th, 2010

The “rest of the story” continues on with the post titled “goodbye gmi”
http://great-controversy-movie.com/blog/?p=401
and “final call”:
http://great-controversy-movie.com/blog/?p=406

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5594. karl said in February 26th, 2011

I think it is unfortunate that some will use the mainstream media to discredit warnings of economic disaster on our doorstep. They do this to their own detriment. Thus it was in 1929 right up until the banks closed their doors. The Depression took the majority of the populace by surprise because the mainstream press was assuring everyone of the nation’s financial soundness.

We ARE drowning in a sea of red ink. Most citizens are in debt up to their ears. Municipalities, counties, states, and the nation are in a pretty hopeless financial position.

It is not unreasonable to foresee economic disaster, yet few believe it possible.

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5603. daniel said in March 1st, 2011

karl, Just because i don’t agree with Br. David Gates, does that make it so that i am “using the mainstream media”? I’ve studied how economics works for over 25 years, and know that the current method of creating “money” is evil, and cannot go on indefinitely. Of course we have huge economic problems.
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What i’m saying here, is that Br. Gates is trying to merge his version of economic theory with the Three Angels’ Messages. This is a huge mistake. The truth does not need our pet theories to propel it forward. In fact, many people will reject the truth when they see some false things in the economic things that are being tacked on to it.
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Let’s stay with the straight truth as it is in Jesus, and stop basing our religion on any sort of economic theory.

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5794. Winelfred G. Pasamba said in August 28th, 2011

you should also rebuke Jesus publicly for saying he would come in that generation of the 12 disciples, if you are to carry on this spirit

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5805. daniel said in September 1st, 2011

What are you talking about, Winelfred? Did Jesus ever sin? Did he promote error? Of course not! This is close to blasphemous to suggest that anyone should rebuke Jesus, even in comparison. But to compare the openly-taught errors that David Gates has and his non-repentance of those same errors with Jesus’ teaching a truth is quite odd, don’t you think?
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David Gates teaches much truth. No doubt you have been blessed much by that truth. I have too. When he preaches error tho, and i just accept it, and don’t warn others of the error, then their blood will be on my (and your) hands.
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Please think about this.

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5870. begrave said in October 13th, 2011

Today in the news:
Pennsylvania’s state capital Harrisburg has declared bankruptcy,

Is raising the debt ceiling like borrowing more money?
If I have a $1,000 credit card and with my income I can pay all my bills why would I want to increase my credit to $2,000 doesn’t it show that I’m living on credit taking from Peter to pay Paul.
keep up the good work brother David Gates
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edited by webmaster to remove copy and paste of previous comment

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5871. daniel said in October 13th, 2011

During the Great Depression, more than 2,000 municipalities defaulted on their debt.
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Since 1980, 32 cities and towns have declared bankruptcy, according to James Spiotta, a leading municipal bankruptcy lawyer. Most notable of these were Bridgeport, Conn., population 140,000, which declared bankruptcy in 1991.

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begrave, Please state why you think Harrisburg’s bankruptcy validates David Gates’ teachings?
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Many readers seem to misunderstand why i’ve written this blog post. I understand very well that the current debt-based monetary system cannot last forever. I’ve been studying this since the mid 1980s. I know the prophetic words that men will seek to place business on a more secure foundation but won’t be able etc. etc. etc. These are all TRUE.
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What i am against, is the tendency of a growing number of people in the Seventh-day Adventist church today to try and scare up some people into believing that the 2nd Coming of Jesus must be soon because of today’s financial headlines. They come up with strange ideas trying to predict the future, and when they don’t pan out, honest, thinking people will see that they are totally mistaken on their financial advice, so they must be mistaken on their spiritual advice too, and so miss out on eternal life.
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For one specific example, Br. David Gates was teaching in the spring of 2008 that the banks in America had no more cash. Then, in August of 2010, he had changed his message to say that the banks in America had the most cash they had ever had right up to the crash of September 2008. This was to promote his new idea that there were 7 fat years starting on Sep. 11, 2001, ending on Sep. 11, 2008. There was not much evidence for that position, but it sounded good (i thot it might be true) at the time. Of course we know now in October 2011 that it was not a teaching led by God.

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