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5773. newbie said in August 2nd, 2011

been studying this a great deal lately and reading everything that is ‘out there’ and with much prayer, hopefully soon, there will be postings on your forum re the trumpets…. God willing

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5774. daniel said in August 3rd, 2011

Looking forward to it 🙂

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5855. sky said in October 4th, 2011

For those who believe and teach that the seven trumpets have not sounded yet means that they will be fulfilled while the seven last plagues fall upon the earth.

The four first trumpets were judgments that fell upon Pagan Rome at the hand of the barbarians for her rejection of the light of the Gospel and for persecuting God’s faithful. God was forced to gradually withdraw His protection from Pagan Rome until it fell in A.D.478.

The fifth and the sixth trumpets were judgments that fell upon Papal Rome at the hand of Islam between 1299 and 1840 when the sixth trumpet ended (as shown in the book The Great Controversy, p.334,335) for her rejection of the Gospel brought to her in the days of the Reformation and for persecuting God’s faithful.

The seventh trumpet will involve judgments that will fall upon Babylon the great after the close of probation for having rejected the loud cry of the third angel and for persecuting God’s faithful.

These judgments will constitute the seventh trumpet. They wil be the seven last plagues when God’s protection shall be fully removed from the wicked and Satan will have entire control of the finally impenitent. Satan will then plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, will have been at last withdrawn. The wicked, no longer sheltered by divine grace, will have no protection from the wicked one.

In the Revelation this is described in the language of the seven last plagues as though these judgments will come directly out from the Lord upon the wicked but we know from the Testimonies that the judgments of God do not come directly out from the Lord upon sinners but His protection being removed, there is no more protection whatsoever from Satan and his evil angels.

sky

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5856. sky said in October 4th, 2011

I fogot to mention that the sixth trumpet also involved the French Revolution which inflicted a deadly wound to Papal Rome shortly before the trumpet ended.

sky

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5857. sky said in October 4th, 2011

The seal spoken of at the time of the fifth trumpet was a seal that could be had in all ages of the world. It is not talking about the final seal but about about a daily seal. This seal the disciples of Christ had received. See Eph.1:13.

There were those at the time of the fifth trumpet who had the seal of God in their forehead and these were protected. They were living according to the light they had received. They did not have the final seal which is to be received after the loud cry at the time of the great final test.

sky

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5859. daniel said in October 4th, 2011

sky wrote: “For those who believe and teach that the seven trumpets have not sounded yet means that they will be fulfilled while the seven last plagues fall upon the earth.”
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No, the 7 Trumpets will fall BEFORE the 7 Last Plagues that are poured out directly from the presence of God.
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No Fred Wright teaching can overturn the Bible truth that God does destroy, and will destroy the wicked – thank God!

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5861. sky said in October 5th, 2011

Fred Wright is dead and he spoke for himself while he was alive. I speak for myself. I am following the divine counsel to examine all things and retain what is good. I do not believe everything Fred Wright taught but I see light from the throne of God in his book Behold Your God.

Let us beware of rejecting light just because it does not come the way we expect it to come. See D.A.232.

Let us beware unless we repeat history in our own personal lives:

“The trials of the children of Israel, and their ATTITUDE just before the first coming of Christ have been presented before me AGAIN and AGAIN to ILLUSTRATE the POSITION of the people of God in their experience before the second coming of Christ–how the enemy sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the Jews, and today he is seeking to BLIND the minds of God’s servants, that they may not be able to DISCERN the PRECIOUS TRUTH.” 1 S.M.406.

sky 🙂

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5862. sky said in October 5th, 2011

There is no evidence whatsoever that the seven trumpets will fall prior to the close of probation. How do you explain this interpretation when the SoP tells us clearly that the sixth trumpet ended on August 11, 1840? This is found in The Great Controversy, 334,335 as I have already given you the reference in my previous post.

What will you do with that information Daniel?

sky 🙂

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5863. sky said in October 5th, 2011

Plus the fifth and sixth trumpets ivolve preaching time before the close of probation and yet in 1 S.M.188 we are clearly told that there will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time.

sky

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5864. sky said in October 5th, 2011

Those who claim that the fifth and sixth trumpets are in still in the future, before the close of probation, forget that these trumpets involve preaching time. But in 1 S.M.188 we are clearly told there that there will NEVER AGAIN be a message for the people of God that will be based on TIME.

The fifth trumpet involved 150 prophetic days (150 literal years between 1299 and 1449) and the sixth trumpet involved 391
prophetic days (391 literal years) plus one prophetic hour (15 literal days) which ended on August 11,1840. (G.C.334,335)

So those who claim that these trumpets will be fulfilled before the close of probation have no other choice but to teach that these trumpets are in literal time just as those who wrongly re-apply the 1260,1290,1235 prophetic days of Daniel 12 in literal time having the Sunday Law as their point of reference or starting point. But we cannot do this for the simple reason that the Lord has
already told us that after 1844 there will never be a message for the people
of God that will be based on time. Plus by re-applying these prophecies in
literal time in these last days one predict when the loud cry will end
and when probation will close and one could also predict when Jesus will come. One would only have to make simple calculations.

But on page 191 of Selected Messages, Vol.1, we read, “God has not revealed to us the time when this message–third angel’s message–will close, or when probation will have an end.”

sky

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5865. sky said in October 5th, 2011

typo 1260,1290,1335 not 1235 sorry

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5869. daniel said in October 9th, 2011

Sky wrote: “I see light from the throne of God in his book Behold Your God.”
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The light there, Brother, is from the throne of Satan, as God had his servants write things that Fred Wright directly contradicts.
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Trying to pin the “no more time” accusation to those who show that the 5th trumpet HAS TO be in the future, is not rightly dividing the Word of God. Just because some events in the Bible are still in the future, does not mean anyone is trying to raise up some excitement based on time. That is what is meant in the Holy Spirit’s words to Ellen White.
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Many of the prophecies have dual or even triple fulfillments, as some of them were fulfilled in 70AD, some leading up to 1844, and obviously some at the end time, as “every word” has not yet been fulfilled. For example, under the 5th Trumpet, it says those stung will seek death but it will flee from them. That has never been fulfilled in history. Of course the fact that the 144,000 are not sealed yet is the proof that the 7 Trumpets must occur in the future.
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Let’s sound the warning, as many in God’s house are asleep to these things, thinking they are almost all past, and we are just waiting for the Sunday Law, Loud Cry, Close of Probation, and Jesus’ Coming. NO! We still have much to be fulfilled, and the end times will be “Woe, Woe, Woe”.

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6650. Lysimachus said in April 24th, 2012

It is you brother Daniel that needs to repent. Alberto told you the right thing. Your review did not impress me one bit, and your responses to him, I might add, were a bit on the childish and accusatory side.

In all Peace that Passes Understanding,

Lysimachus

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6653. daniel said in April 24th, 2012

Hello Lysimachus,
I wrote Br. Treiyer asking him many questions, to which he replied to buy his book. So i pared the questions down to one, to which he replied the same thing, and basically added that i am led of the devil to ask him questions to divert him from his work.
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He added that he has “a “long experience” with people like you, who ask questions not to try to understand but to satisfy their curiosity…, ”
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He is judging my heart, something Jesus directly commanded us not to do, so i asked him to repent.
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Please show me where i am wrong in asking him to repent for breaking the command of God.

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9654. 7thdayman said in April 13th, 2014

Hey Bros and Sis, I just have some question in humility but with deep concern, Futurist point of view, do you have a suppose idea of the future events for the 7 trumpets? and secondly what is the seal of God, Is King David sealed of God for his Kingdom to come? how about all those who died in Christ are they not sealed of God? Those that are dead without Christ have they not been sealed for destruction? why don’t we take some time to consider the seal of God? Why do we make it to be limited to the future? if You your self should die now in Christ, are you not sealed for Eternity?

Ephesians 1:13 – In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: In whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of Promise

Ephesians 4:30 – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 6:27 – Labour not for the meat that periseth but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you for him hath God the Father Sealed.

The people sealed of God in the end will have 2 things generally in common Isaiah 8:20 and Revelation 12:17

were the men of the Dark Ages who stood firm for all they knew about the truth are they not sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption?

Are there more than one seal of God i might not know about tell me so i can learn.

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9658. daniel said in April 18th, 2014

7thdayman, the tone of your post is one of the most humble I’ve seen on this blog. Thank you. Please realize that I don’t have all the answers either, but have studied this out for many years, and wish to give people what is the truth as I currently see it 🙂
Agreed 100% that there is a “sealing” by the Holy Spirit when we are baptized. BUT, there is a special “sealing of the 144,000” at the end time.
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Present Truth 1849-8-1 “while they had started on their mission to let them go, the merciful eye of Jesus gazed on the remnant that were not all sealed, then he raised his hands to the Father and plead with him that he had spilled his blood for them.–Then another angel was commissioned to fly swiftly to the four angels, and bid them hold until the servants of God were sealed with the seal of the living God in their foreheads.”
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So we see the sealing was after 1849.
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To the Little Remnant Scattered Abroad
1846-6-4 “They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake.”
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So we see that the 144,000 are the number of those sealed. This is the number of those who never die, and are alive to great Jesus in the clouds.
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If I can be of service to you, please let me know 🙂

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102856. stupaul said in December 10th, 2014

Just found your critique of the symposium on the trumpets. First of all alot of your discussion with Alberto Treiyer was extremely biased on both ends. I fault Him for not giving you a fair hearing and answering your questions. And you for being so critical of His comments. Also you were very quick to dismiss Jon Paulein’s attempts to keep things biblical. I frequently visit his facebook page where he is presently conducting a verse by verse online interactive commentary on Revelation. You will find that he is very humble and open-minded. I appreciate his scholarship and would recommend that you visit his website.www thebattleofarmageddon.com. You might just learn something about dialoguing with those you disagree with. While I don’t agree with either of them I do agree with you that the trumpets are in the future. However I think that alot of your previous comments are caused by a misreading of the text. Revelation should be taken as it reads. There is no reason for historicist, futurist,or even idealists, or preterists to be dogmatic about unfulfilled prophecy. After studying the trumpets for almost 30 years I have come to the conclusion that Revelation 8-11 happen literally in chronological order. God is going to wake up the world through the trumpet judgments. John did not see a bunch of symbols but real literal burning hail, burning mountain,star falling, and darkness. These first four are natural disasters and when they happen all the schools of prophecy will be seen to be false. If Revelation is read as a story from front to back as it is supposed to be the mystery is cleared up. I have read literally hundreds of commentaries from the church fathers through the middle ages to the present day. None of them take the Revelation just as it reads. These first four trumpet judgments will
affect all of the natural world. The three woes warn of the coming of Satan with his angels. The only way to avoid the deception is to accept Jesus and let Him seal and ground us in the truth of God’s word. We need to quit quibbling over things that haven’t happened yet and seek God’s revealed will for his servants at this time. Make sure we know the truth about our heavenly Father’s character. So when the trumpets do happen we can be God’s witnesses who can reveal Him before the world which will be in total confusion and in need to see a Revelation of Jesus Christ in His saints. Pray that we can be that revelation.

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103851. daniel said in December 12th, 2014

stupaul, Thank you for your critique of my comments.
Regarding Jon Paulien, I’ve read enough of his work to know he is in deep error.
I’ve read several works by people who believe the Seven Trumpets will take place literally, as I believe they will.
God bless.

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288873. Hope Helen Huerta said in February 15th, 2017

The trumpets are the response to the petitions of the souls under the altar to vindicate that trumpets cannot fold considerably over the seven churches and seven seals, inasmuch as the martyrs slain by Babylon and the eighth king of Revelation 17 cannot be omitted as essential constituents of the intent of the fifth seal. The trumpets cannot fold considerably over the churches and seals, inasmuch as the seventh month of Tishri cannot be equated with the seven months prior; it is the seven churches that actually represent the “new moon” observances between the spring and autumn festivals. The trumpets cannot fold considerably over the churches and seals, inasmuch as the prohibitions against harming those with the seal of God in the fifth trumpet cannot be divorced from God’s use of those who disavow Christ to separate the wheat from the tares, the chosen from the reprobate, nor can the principle of Matthew 12:25-26 be divorced from the phenomenon of the sixth trumpet; under such scrutiny, the fifth, nay the first five trumpets must represent God’s judgment on the church before he judges the reprobate in the sixth trumpet, in conformity with 1 Peter 4:17-18. All the evidence supports the historical phenomenon depicted by the trumpets commence with the seventh seal in conformity with how the phenomenon of the seven vials or final plagues commence upon the blowing of the seventh trumpet. In such a perception, the trumpets maintain terminological and thematic correspondence with the sealing of the 144,000 and the three angels in Revelation 14.

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