{"id":553,"date":"2012-03-05T16:18:50","date_gmt":"2012-03-05T09:18:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/great-controversy-movie.com\/blog\/?p=553"},"modified":"2012-03-10T18:48:48","modified_gmt":"2012-03-10T11:48:48","slug":"seventh-day-adventists-and-abortion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/great-controversy-movie.com\/blog\/seventh-day-adventists-and-abortion\/","title":{"rendered":"seventh-day adventists and abortion"},"content":{"rendered":"

I’ve written a few posts already regarding the sin of God’s church in condoning abortions. Now i’ve made an 11-minute video about it. I’m hoping there will be feedback on this, to make it better, as i am certainly just an amateur!
\nSeventh-day Adventist Church and Abortion video<\/a><\/p>\n

If you wish to download the youtube video to your own computer, and cannot, please leave a comment and i will try to help you out.<\/p>\n

The music was provided by youtube user DJMichaelOrtega: music by DJMichaelOrtega<\/a><\/p>\n

Here is the text used in the video:
\nSeventh-day Adventist Church and Abortion<\/p>\n

The Seventh-day adventist church has an official document called “Guidelines on Abortion”. This video is to protest the position my church has taken.
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\nMy Seventh-day Adventist church prides itself on “keeping the commandments of God and having the faith of Jesus” – the 2 identifying marks of God’s church at the end time.<\/p>\n

But the sad fact is, we make no pretensions to keeping the 6th commandment. Somehow we think that standing up for the 4th commandment like no other denomination does will make up for the killing of little, innocent children inside their mother’s wombs.
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\nMany of our church members don’t have any idea that this is going on. We trust our leaders to be guiding the ship in a safe manner, unaware that for the sake of money, we have sold our soul.
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\nThis sad state of affairs started in earnest under the leadership of Neal Wilson in the 1970s, and every succeeding president of the church has condoned it. This is what he said while president of NAD in 1970: “Though we walk the fence, Adventists lean toward abortion rather than against it. Because we realize we are confronted by big problems of hunger and overpopulation, we do not oppose family planning and appropriate endeavors to control population.”
\nMinistry Magazine August 1991 Abortion: history of Adventist Guidelines<\/a><\/p>\n

If that is not a Laodicean position, i don’t know what is.
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\nIt has gotten so bad that those outside our church are questioning how we can claim to have the moral upper ground while we are actively breaking the 6th commandment:
\nWashington Post article Jan. 24, 2011<\/a>
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\nAccording to this Ministry Magazine article in August 1991, the first article regarding abortion in Adventist literature was in 1867 titled “Fashionable Murder”. Then in 1869 with a title of “A Few Words Concerning a Great Sin” an article encouraged readers to read Psalm 139:16, and then stated: “They will see that even the unborn child is written in God’s book. And they may be well assured that God will not pass unnoticed the murder of such children”. In 1870 James White edited “A Solemn Appeal” to include a statement from a Dr. Miller castigating abortion as “nefarious business”, “worse than devilish practice”.
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\nAs to numbers, participants in the “Pastors’ Protest Against Abortion” supplied the figure of 1,494 abortions performed at Washington Adventist Hospital from 1975 through July 1982.<\/p>\n

In 7 years, 1,494 murdered infants at just one of our hospitals. Where is the outrage, where is the cry for it to stop?
\n——————–wilson’s letter
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\nI wrote President Ted Wilson in 2011 asking him to repent corporately for this grevious sin. he sent a nice reply, but just gave the church’s official guidelines. He ended with a comment to pray for revival and reformation, but these cannot occur until we first repent.<\/p>\n

The guidelines say in part: “Abortions for reasons of birth-control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.<\/p>\n

There are, however exceptional circumstances when a woman may face serious moral or medical dilemmas such as threats to the pregnant mother’s life, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest.
\nGuidelines on Abortion<\/a>
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\nSo i made a little parody, showing the utter failure of the guidelines to adhere to the Bible: “Sabbath breaking for reasons of work, income, or convenience are not condoned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.<\/p>\n

“There are, however, exceptional circumstances when a person may face serious moral or medical dilemmas such as threats to the person’s life, severe beatings carefully diagnosed as necessary for “retraining”, and threats from family members or mobs resulting in possible rape or incest.<\/p>\n

A longer parody, called “SDA Guidelines on Stealing” is available on the internet.
\nSDA Guidelines on Stealing<\/a>
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In 2010 i went to the General Conference Session in Atlanta, GA. There was a drive going on to “End it Now”. Great, i thot, finally a concerted effort to end abortion among Seventh-day Adventists. But then i read the fine print: “Adventists say NO to violence against women”. Why is it only big women? Why not little women, those still inside their mommy’s bellies?
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\nSome of my fellow Seventh-day Adventists say: “Ellen White never said anything about abortion, so it must be OK.” Is this statement true?
\nFrom the
\nAdvent Review and Sabbath Herald Volume 6
\n07-18-1899
\nDisease and Its Causes<\/p>\n

If the father would become acquainted with physical law, he would
\nbetter understand his obligations and his responsibilities. He would see that he had been guilty of almost murdering his children, by suffering so many burdens to come upon the mother, compelling her to labor beyond her strength before their birth, in order to obtain money to leave for them.
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\nSo we see that Ellen White talked about the father “almost murdering” his children “before their birth”, by forcing the mother to work too hard.
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\nHow can a church known for human rights, standing tall to help the slaves, standing tall to make alcohol illegal, suddenly be as silent as a mouse when coming to a subject much more important? – the human right to be safe inside your mother?<\/p>\n

I mean, the slaves AT LEAST had a chance to breathe. Even that is not allowed the littlest, most helpless ones of society.
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\nRecently there was a heart-warming story of a girl born at 24 weeks, who was determined well enough to leave the hospital after a few months.
\nWorld’s 3rd smallest baby<\/a>
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\nMadeline Mann was born at 26 weeks, just 9.9 ounces. She is now 23 years old. Her mother described her daughter in 2004 as “extraordinary, positive, and the light of my life and many lives”.
\nMadeline Mann<\/a>
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\nWhose lives will these kids light up?
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\nThere are a few fellow SDAs sighing and crying for this terrible sin. One man was kicked out of church for doing so. Nic Samojluk is probably the most scholarly SDA with a lot of material on this subject, and the Roesch family has some good articles on this too.<\/p>\n

kicked out for anti-abortion<\/a>
\nNic Samojluk’s Adventlife site<\/a>
\nThe Narrow Way Ministries<\/a>
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\nDoes God’s word have any advice on this issue? – Plenty:
\nLuke 1:15, in talking about John the Baptist says: “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
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\nSo we see that the Holy Spirit was in him from while he was still inside his mother’s womb. Aborting him would entail aborting the Holy Spirit, wouldn’t it?<\/p>\n

Another very important point here, is that John the Baptist is called by name, even before coming out, showing clearly that what we call a “fetus” today (subhuman) is simply known as a “person” to God.
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\nThen in talking about the greatest conception and birth of all this world’s history – that of Jesus Christ, Luke 1:35 says: “And answering, the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and so the Holy One being born will be called God’s Son.
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\nIn this instance, Mary was carrying the seed of the Holy Spirit in her womb for 9 months. No doubt she faced a “serious moral dilemma”, as witnessed by Joseph’s actions. Now according to our Seventh-day Adventist church’s guidelines, Mary is fully within her rights to murder Jesus after appropriate medical counsel aided by her religious beliefs and the guidance of the Holy Spirit! Sick!
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One of the very real concerns i have about this, is that the Roman Catholic Church is gaining the upper hand in the “morality” department over us. We, who claim to follow all the commandments in the Bible, are being seen as a one-horse church (sabbath), who are just as corrupt as the other Protestant churches in other areas.
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\nOn February 29, 2012, an article appeared in the Telegraph, saying that a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University have put forth their arguments for allowing parents to kill their newborn babies, because “ending their lives is no different to abortion”. They even call it euphemistically “after-birth abortion”. But their logic is impeccable IF you agree that it is OK to kill a baby in the womb. Our SDA guidelines would need hardly any change at all to accomodate the “new norm”.
\nTelegraph Feb. 29, 2012 Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say<\/a>
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\nSo when the 7 Trumpets start blowing, and nature is in turmoil and millions\/billions of people are dying, the people will be forced to think about God, and instead of choosing the SDA church for direction, they will choose the RC church because it will look to have the moral authority, as everyone knows deep down inside that killing little babies is a horrendous thing.
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\nLet’s heed the Scriptures in Joel 2:13
\nSo rend your heart, and not your garments; Return to the LORD your God, For he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness; And he relents from doing harm.
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