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\nThis experience happened at a campmeeting held in Germany August 6-13 2006.\u00a0 Because it involves leader-type figures in Seventh-day Adventism, real names have been used so readers of this can be responsibly informed.<\/p>\n

David Kang of Light to Live Ministries, and John Davis of Orion Publishing both believe that there are mistakes in the Bible.<\/p>\n

While having supper with Brother Kang one evening, i introduced the 1858 Great Controversy book, and showed him a few things after he had asked why i was promoting it.\u00a0 I told him i believed all the words in it are from God, and showed him one place in chapter 30 where it says what the apostles wrote in the Bible was: “dictated by the Holy Ghost”.\u00a0 He smiled and said something like: “of course we don’t believe the Bible was dictated do we?”, and when i answered that some, including myself, DO believe that way, he got very serious and said that i was going against the Spirit of Prophecy, and that he would bring me a quote showing that belief was false.\u00a0<\/p>\n

He said: “Do you believe Paul was inspired when he asked someone to bring his coat?”\u00a0 I replied in the affirmative.\u00a0 He continued: “We know that there are some minor mistakes in the Bible.\u00a0 For example, one writer says Mary Magdalene ran first to the tomb, while others don’t.\u00a0 Some of the numbers given don’t match up.\u00a0 And one writer even attributes a quote to Jeremiah when we know it was actually in Isaiah!\u00a0 Do you believe the Holy Spirit dictated a mistake?”\u00a0 I replied that “the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict himself, and that we, being 2,000 years removed, may not know exactly the details of why that was given that way.\u00a0 Just as with Paul’s coat, that exact phrase that the Holy Spirit had Paul write may have been just the thing to convince some doubter living at that time of the authenticity of that letter that it was indeed from Paul.”<\/p>\n

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That nite, just before bed time, he came by my room and handed me a quote from 1Selected Messages page 20 with these words underlined: “It is not the words of the Bible that are inspired, but the men that were inspired.”\u00a0 He asked if i rejected this, and i said that the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict himself, and that i needed rest and would study it in the morning.\u00a0 That nite i was praying and thinking.<\/p>\n

The next morning i found the quote in Testimonies for the Church volume 26 that says: “The scribes of God wrote as they were dictated by the Holy Spirit, having no control of the work themselves.” and one other in Testimonies v.9: “One who has influence hints, or throws a doubt into minds suggesting that which Satan has suggested to them, that one scripture contradicts another…”<\/p>\n

Also in the morning, i went to where Brother Davis was selling books, showing him this 1858GC book.\u00a0 He showed interest, and asked why i was so interested in it, so i gave a short testimony about how it has really helped in my life, and that i wish to get the prophet’s words out to others so they can be blessed and prepare for what is coming too.\u00a0 Somehow, i wasn’t expecting it, but the subject of the words being important came up, so i showed him also the quote in chapter 30 about what the apostles wrote was dictated by the Holy Ghost.\u00a0 His reaction was very calm, but the words were about the same as Br. Kang’s: “We know the Holy Spirit didn’t dictate the Bible word for word.\u00a0 There are some small mistakes in the Bible too you know.”\u00a0 Ut-oh. Same song, second verse.\u00a0 I said that God doesn’t make mistakes, and what looks like mistakes to us aren’t really.\u00a0 Of course i do agree that translators were not inspired, and that the scribes did change a few things, but that the originals are the WORD OF GOD, and that our understanding is what may be the mistake, not God’s words.\u00a0 All this was said very calmly, and then we parted.<\/p>\n

The opportunity to present these quotes to Br. Kang came in the evening.\u00a0 He saw me standing in the hallway, and in a friendly-like manner asked if i had read the quote.\u00a0 I said i had, and showed him the quotes i had written down.\u00a0 He did not know that there was a Testimonies volume 26, and had never seen that quote about dictation.\u00a0 He suggested we go down to see John Davis and talk this over, and i thot that was an excellent idea too.\u00a0 Normally i’m a very poor speaker, especially when in a stressful-challenged situation when talking to someone.\u00a0 I heard too many arguments when little, and my natural impulse is to run away from any potential argumentative situations.\u00a0 Of course i had been praying a lot during the previous nite and this day, asking God to give me words to speak, and that we can all stand together on the platform of truth.<\/p>\n

And God worked a little miracle.\u00a0 Here i am standing in front of John Davis and David Kang, having to defend the writing that the Bible is dictated by the Holy Spirit, and God seemingly stops time.\u00a0 I give a clear testimony with not one stammer or repetition, and seem to be almost talking outside of myself.\u00a0 Br. David shows the T.26 quote to Br. John showing his surprise at there being 26 volumes.\u00a0 John does know about it, and they read it together.\u00a0 Then they both say that the Bible is not dictated, that the Holy Spirit only inspired the ideas, and the words the various writers wrote of themselves.\u00a0 David repeats the same thing about Mary Magdalene running first to the tomb in one Gospel writer’s account but not in the others, and about Jeremiah being quoted when it is actually Isaiah that he means to quote, and asks if i still believe that is dictated by the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 “Yes”.\u00a0 Then they read the quote about “contradicting” from T.9, and they both refute the idea that they implied the Bible was contradicting itself, but i reminded them that they were saying there were small mistakes in the Bible, like some numbers not matching up etc.<\/p>\n

David Kang then said that he really feared for me, because he knows that i will run up against a wall believing this way one day.\u00a0 I replied: “When you are in the courts giving a reason for your faith after the Sunday Law, and they find out you believe there are mistakes in the Bible, they will laugh you out of court”.<\/p>\n

He said that most all the theologians have studied this and determined long ago that the Bible was not dictated like i’m saying.\u00a0 I replied that most all theologians don’t believe the truth either.\u00a0 He and John smiled, shook their heads, and we politely agreed to disagree.\u00a0 This was all done in a room with others, and no one even noticed us, as no voices were raised or anything like that.<\/p>\n

It makes me sorry to see that strong, standard-bearing, leaders in the work for Jesus spreading the 3 Angels’ Messages have a house built on sand.\u00a0 But even sadder to think that their listeners may be influenced along these same lines too.\u00a0 May we build our house upon the rock, so that when wind and rain and high tides come, we will stand secure knowing that we are living by “every word that comes out of the mouth of God”.<\/p>\n

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\nupdate; September 30, 2006
\nA professor of Spirit of Prophecy history at Newbold college came to the Athens Greece central SDA church this Sabbath and gave three lectures.\u00a0 His name is Radisa Antic, and while being very solid on the sanctuary doctrine, he came out strongly in favor of little mistakes in the Bible.<\/p>\n

He had just finished giving a rather uninspiring talk on why Ellen White is revelant today, quoting some worldly authors etc., and saying how we wouldn’t have all this SDA “stuff” like schools and hospitals etc. if she had not given the push, when he opened the floor to questions.\u00a0 Around 60 were in attendance, probably 40% native English, 40% native Romanian or Bulgarian, and 20% native Greek.\u00a0 One man asked about inspiration, and Professor Antic replied with standard SDA teaching: The words are not from God, only the main ideas behind the words are from God.<\/p>\n

To prove from his point of view the mistakes in the Bible, he mentioned that one place says 70 people went with Jacob into Egypt, and another place says 75.\u00a0 “But it doesn’t make any difference, it is not important.\u00a0 What is important is that Jacob and his family DID go down into Egypt”.\u00a0 He is clearly stating the same thing that David Kang was – that there are parts of the Bible that aren’t important.\u00a0 So when we see these mistakes, we are just led to recognize that the writers were human like us, and could make mistakes.<\/p>\n

“I appreciate your talk, Pastor, but the Bible has no mistakes in it”.\u00a0 “Sure it does.\u00a0 Don’t you believe the prophets could ever make mistakes?”\u00a0 “Yes, but they didn’t write it down under inspiration, as inspiration has no mistakes”.\u00a0 “What about Samuel when he went to anoint David?\u00a0 He saw Jesse’s firstborn, and said: ‘Surely this is the anointed of the Lord'”.\u00a0 “Yes, pastor, he was mistaken, Samson did bad things, but that doesn’t mean that what was written down in the Bible about them was mistaken”.\u00a0 This exchange took place after the lecture, when i went to where he was sitting in the front row to talk with him personally.\u00a0<\/p>\n

I had just very briefly shown him the 1858 Great Controversy the nite before, telling him i would like to show it to him on Sabbath afternoon, so i took this opportunity to do that also.\u00a0 He picked up the book and looked thru it and within 3 seconds started telling me that Ellen White set up trustees for her works in her will before she died, and they have authority to do this work, and that i should not be doing this, and if Ellen White was here, she would tell me not to do this work.<\/p>\n

I just smiled and said something about the need to spread God’s words, and proffered my hand which he shook warmly, then went back to my seat and listened to his last lecture, about Hebrews 6 and the sanctuary (which was very good).\u00a0 He did make me smile a couple of times as he painstakingly showed how some word in the text was so important, and compared it to other places in the Bible, even making a big point out of “Day” having a capital “D” in one place – ha!\u00a0 I shook his hand again after the meeting and said “God bless”.<\/p>\n

Below are probably the Bible texts he is referring to as being “mistaken”.\u00a0 I think it is very strange with all these people who think the Bible has “little mistakes” in it, they never come straight out and tell which one of the places they think is mistaken, and which one is correct!!<\/p>\n

Gen 46:26\u00a0 All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob’s sons’ wives, all the souls were threescore and six;
\n27\u00a0 And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls: all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten.<\/p>\n

Act 7:14\u00a0 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.<\/p>\n

NOTE: Post written October 1, 2006
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